New Learner Proposals

[Oldie]

This was issued by the DVLA today - stuff like revoking CBT after 6 points (which I had thought they already did).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dvsa-sets-out-proposals-to-improve-motorcycle-training

[andyscooter]

I agree with some of it

not sure about a four part cbt though just seems to be making things more expensive

and what would they be

theory, practical off road ,practical on road, and?
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[weasley]

[stinkwheel]

My main question before jumping in re-arranging things because they seem like a good idea is are they fixing something which is broken?

So are people riding on a CBT the people who are making up the 21% of KSI traffic accidents they state involve motorcyclists?

If they are, fair enough, shake it up. If they aren't, why are they messing?

I'd suggest that if it does turn out to be that people on a CBT are overrepresented in the KSI numbers, surely the solution is to get them up to test standard quickly?

The way to do that is to make it impossible to just sit on a CBT and L-plates for an extended period. When I did my test, a provisional motorcycle licence lasted for 3 years, then it was taken off you and you couldn't reapply for another 12 months.
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[M.C]

[Fizzoid]

[stinkwheel]

It would be nice if just once in a while, our government made regulations based on evidence rather than a monologue prepared by a civil servant consisting of their oppinion of what seems like a good idea.

It's what comes of the governing classes almost exclusively being educated in the arts rather than sciences. A scientist wouldn't dream of handing in an assignment without multiple references. A white paper on the other hand is just an eleborate version of 1,000 words on "What I did in My Summer Holidays.".

The annoying thing is, they don't even need to do any legwork to come up with the numbers, there is a whole government department whose job it is to collate such things and regurgitate them in a consise and valid manner. They just need to ask the office of national statistics "what proportion of KSI motorcycle accidents involve learners?".
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[redeem ouzzer]

Might as well just ban bikes and have done with it. Eventually the hoops to jump through will be so convoluted no one will bother getting a bike licence of any sort.
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[notabikeranym...]

Pretty split on this, part of me says it's a good thing to provide learners with the best start and maybe less chance of potatoing themselves, but the other part of me is thinking its just more hoops to jump through that nobody cares about, everybody finds inconvenient, and adds more costs to the already offputting cost of getting a licence.

[andyscooter]

Just seen a link on facebook about learner drivers having to use motorway

This is wrong

There is enough to learn now without having that to deal with
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[thepuma]

[Kickstart]

[M.C]

[Rogerborg]

Huh, one of those secret consultations. It didn't make it to any of the many email addresses that I've used to register interest with DVLA and DVSA shenanigans.

On the face of it, it looks commonsensical enough. Nobody should be tooling around on the roads without passing a theory test (I'm looking at you, pedalists and horsists). Auto CBT gets you an auto entitlement, CBTs can be revoked, and so on. All fair enough.

I mean, if you view a CBT as sort-of-a-license, which we do.

Thing is, these are the conclusion from the previous consultation on training, which concluded that they'd like to do all of this, but Whitehall had told them to sod off, there was no room on the Minister's calendar, let along Westminster's.

If they've made room, then I suspect that it's already a fait accompli, and we can kiss goodbye to buzzing around at 28mph on a moped than getting a sort-of-a-license to ride an 80mph 125.

The interesting part is this very vague statement: "Training courses to upgrade motorcycle licences".

When the 3DLD came in, they knocked that route back in favour of repeated full tests because (I swear) the cost of doing more training. Apparently completely missing that it's essentially impractical to upgrade from A1 to A2 to A without going via a training school to get access to their insured bikes.

An assessed training route to upgrade an existing license rather than doing the exact same performing-seal tests over and over on increasingly more capable bikes is long overdue, and I hope we can all get behind that.
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[stevo as b4]

A practical but simple and effective CBT after a theory test would be best IMO.

But then I'd be all up for a 6month limit on riding with a CBT, then a 12month ban if no tests are passed. There's plenty of choices of test category, so keep the lower size test classes cheap and put pressure on learners to take one asap after the CBT.

[andyscooter]

Does passing a1 still give you permanent cbt

The lml lot are all bawwing as they cant do mod1 (irony ) on there own scoots

Got mates who passed on an auto but ride geared with L plates without cbt
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[M.C]

[secretagentmo...]

My CBT was a joke. half an hour in the car park at King's Lynn Speedway carpark, then rushed back to the house/office, sent out accompanying a 50cc scooter, so restricted to 30mph. CBT written out then taken outside to do the emergency stop as they had realised they had not done it!

Sadly I did not learn from my experience and did lessons with the same bike school. I changed bike schools after an hours lesson was over in half an hour and that included a coffee!

So part of the problem might involve getting bike instructors to do a proper job in the first damned place!

[andyscooter]

[M.C]

[andyscooter]

^^^^ test on auto still lets you ride a geared 125 with L plates
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