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Posted: 18:37 - 12 Dec 2017 Post subject: MPs to vote on Police pursuit rules on 19 Dec |
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Apologies if this has already been flagged elsewhere - I was surprised nobody's apparently mentioned it already?
A proposed new law (the Emergency Response Drivers [Protections] Bill), will exempt police and other emergency drivers from being done for dangerous driving during a pursuit. Can't be bad...
At the above link there's an MP's email directory and a suggested template email to send them requesting their support of the Bill.
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Posted: 19:13 - 12 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
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Interesting, but as a private member's bill, it's just grandstanding.
I can't see it passing, since the wording will either be too weak to offer protection, or so strong as to let them literally get away with murder.
The problem could be solved simply by not prosecuting coppers. That's a matter for the IPCC, the CPS and the Fiscal, all of whom would snap and snarl about their "independence", i.e. unaccountability to the decent law abiding public. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | |
I know it was the all the additional... &vagdvadja%%%
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MarJay wrote: | They already have the ability to do what they need to do to uphold the law. |
that's the problem, people think they can do anything but by the letter of the law they can only break speed limits, go through red lights and round keep left bollards. all this ramming cars (and bikes more recently) is clearly dangerous driving and something that police can be prosecuted for. in these days of litigation, ambulance chasers and overbearing IPCC I can see why they would want more protections. ____________________ Current : '08 Yamaha FZ1s
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Mailed my MP this is the response...
Thank you for your email. I have just spoken to Henry Bellingham (see attached), in the voting lobby (we are voting on Brexit) and he has kindly agreed that I can be one of the sponsors of his Bill.
I fully support the aims of the Bill.
Thank you for alerting me. It is an important Bill.
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B5234FT wrote: | If however one innocent citizen is killed by some banzai copper doing 95 around a blind bend on the wrong side of the road, then the cost will have been too high. |
Especially if it's a children, eh?
They can already do 95 in a hot pursuit. Wrong siding, well, we'll see when we see the bill.
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Posted: 21:57 - 15 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
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MarJay wrote: | The thing is, the Police don't need more powers, or more protections or what have you. They already have the ability to do what they need to do to uphold the law. The point is, they don't because they are concerned about litigation. Overly so, one might argue. If one in 100 pursuits ends in a member of the public suing the police, then that's a risk worth taking IMO.
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Keir wrote: |
that's the problem, people think they [police] can do anything but by the letter of the law they can only break speed limits, go through red lights and round keep left bollards. all this ramming cars (and bikes more recently) is clearly dangerous driving and something that police can be prosecuted for. in these days of litigation, ambulance chasers and overbearing IPCC I can see why they would want more protections. |
Keir is on the right lines with regard to the contradictions between driving law and law on use of force.
It's also worth mentioning that the issues with police driving don't relate only to pursuits, but to response driving in general. Neither is it about the public suing the police, but police officers being prosecuted for doing what they're trained to do (and what - I think - the public generally expect them to do.)
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What we really need is a law change so that on balance of probabilities if the pursued suspect was in commission of a crime, that he is not able to sue the police if injured. This would improve the chances of a pursuit passing the risk assessment phase by a massive margin.
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Pursuit risk assessment doesn't consider how likely the police are to be sued by the suspect in the event of an injury, so a law change in this respect wouldn't make any difference at all to the decision to pursue, or to authorise a pursuit. Pursuit risk assessment isn't a "phase" either but an ongoing process throughout the pursuit. If you're interested in learning more, search for the College of Policing's APP on police pursuits. ____________________ Power Ranger |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 136 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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