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Sun Wukong
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Peer to Peer Lending Reply with quote

So, looking for return on savings on sterling in the UK.

Anyone have any experience with P2P lenders, such as Quidcycle.

How risky are they? Has anyone had success with them or know any relatively safe ones? And horror stories or companies to steer well clear of?

The savings interest rates at the moment are embaressing. Thinking
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: Peer to Peer Lending Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
The savings interest rates at the moment are embaressing. Thinking

They sure are. It's annoying as during the years of 5-6% interest I had no money, now I do have a decent nest egg doing nothing Sad

There's a lifetime ISA being launched in April but it looks like there are too many terms attached to it.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bank account in India giving me 4%. Other countries are doing it.

I can see the beautiful money in my beautiful account with beautiful online banking.

However, I can't seem to use my card over seas Confused So I suspect that money may be sat there until I next visit (probably in May).

However, back when I was filling the account, GBP to INR was 1:100.

Now it is 1:83 ... Because Brexit.

So now the Sterling must stay in Sterling and hope it recovers.

Quidcycle etc is a way to use it, so for your situation it seems half sensible. But again, how risky is it?
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad did a bit several years ago.

From memory he made some small loans to some a family business and they always repaid on time - but any profit was marginal as loan was so small. Made a bigger loan to a lawyers firm and after a few months they stopped paying, not sure if he ever saw the money back.

His opinion was that altho it was good in theory, in practice a waste of time. This is from 2nd hand memories 5-6 years ago tho, so it may have gone down differently.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you'd have been at least 13% better off putting the money something safe, like a U.K. Savings account then?


Laughing

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PostPosted: 23:02 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

India related: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38456280 Laughing I wonder if that's affected the currency/exchange rate?
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
However, I can't seem to use my card over seas Confused So I suspect that money may be sat there until I next visit (probably in May)


You normally have to tell your bank in advance if you want to use your money in a different country. It makes it easier for them to spot fraud.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
You normally have to tell your bank in advance if you want to use your money in a different country. It makes it easier for them to spot fraud.


I used to back till around 2012 where my bank was like "nah we don't really do that anymore, you should be fine to use your cards pretty much anywhere". They said if I knew specific countries and specific dates I could tell them, but if I was just generally on the road and changing borders often then there was no point.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
However, back when I was filling the account, GBP to INR was 1:100.
Now it is 1:83 ... Because Brexit.

Sorry, can you clarify, You put say £100 in at 1:100 which = INR 10,000
but now to convert it to £ at 1:83 you would end up with £ 120.
What's the down side?

Or have I misunderstood?
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:

but now to convert it to £ at 1:83 you would end up with £ 120.


How did you work that out?

Using your simple numbers and providing he gets an exact exchange it would surely be £83 he ends up with.

Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fin wrote:
Alpineandy wrote:

but now to convert it to £ at 1:83 you would end up with £ 120.


How did you work that out?
Using your simple numbers and providing he gets an exact exchange it would surely be £83 he ends up with.
Thinking


10,000 divide by 83 to convert back to £
Isn't that how it's done?

It would only be INR 8,300 if he'd bought another £100 worth...
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
Or have I misunderstood?


The original question wasn't about the value of his INR savings (which increased in £s) but rather what to invest his spare £s in - doesn't want to buy more INR with the £ being weak and volatile.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Alpineandy wrote:
Or have I misunderstood?

The original question wasn't about the value of his INR savings (which increased in £s) but rather what to invest his spare £s in - doesn't want to buy more INR with the £ being weak and volatile.

Yes I understood that bit but was confused by mpd72s comment and Sun Wukongs response.


As for Peer to Peer lending, it does look like a good idea but just one default and any benefit over a standard UK savings account would be lost (if not a lot more).
If you could find some form of insurance to reduce or cover that potential loss then it would be more interesting.
However I suspect any Insurance would want most of the interest as premium.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're interested in P2P lending then this lot are worth a look - https://www.archover.com/

Upfront, I work for the same parent company as them. We're a very well respected and long established City of London consultancy. I have nothing to gain personally from recommending them.

The figures on the website are genuine. Phone them up, check them out.
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using Ratesetter for a few years, no issues. They've apparently got a provision fund large enough to cover an anticipated default rate twice that of the 2007 crash so I'm not unduly worried.

FSCS is just a sugarcoated bank bailout - if a government (taxpayer) funded handout is what people need to trust banks then that says it all really. No ta, I'll take my money elsewhere. Most of the rates offered are sub-inflation anyway.

P2P lending was scored as being 'not much riskier than a bank' with an FE score of 1.

I used to get about 5% but now more people are trusting it it's more like 3%. On the other hand the savings allowance is in which means the first £1000 interest earned is tax free Thumbs Up

I had a few 1 year bonds come back recently so I made £200 in december alone Cool
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
No ta, I'll take my money elsewhere. Most of the rates offered are sub-inflation anyway.


This is it, your money may be "safe" in a bank, but it will just get inflated away.

If you had the space I've always thought things like machine tools hold their value well big Bridgeport mills and the like.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, back when I was filling the account, GBP to INR was 1:100.
Now it is 1:83 ... Because Brexit.

So now the Sterling must stay in Sterling and hope it recovers.


If the figures were the right way round, why would you not convert the INR back to £ and make 20%? Why wait for it to not make 20%?


That's a roulette strategy know as doubling down.
It works in theory, although eventually you inevitably run out of money.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: Peer to Peer Lending Reply with quote

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Sun Wukong wrote:
The savings interest rates at the moment are embaressing. Thinking

They sure are. It's annoying as during the years of 5-6% interest I had no money, now I do have a decent nest egg doing nothing Sad

There's a lifetime ISA being launched in April but it looks like there are too many terms attached to it.


We got fucked, we should have gone bitcoin. Oh well Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: Peer to Peer Lending Reply with quote

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We got fucked, we should have gone bitcoin. Oh well Rolling Eyes

Someone told me about bitcoins years ago, I thought it sounded dodgy (as I hadn't heard of them before). That would have been a smart investment Smile
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it can be attractive to look at decent interest rates, but to make more than a couple of days wages out of interest, you need big lump to invest in the first place. Big enough that losing it would really, really hurt.

I personally wouldn't put my savings into p2p lending or the stock market, I would just put them in an ISA or a bond with a bank. The thing that makes my savings grow isn't the interest, it's me putting more money in the account.

Seeing as you're being all planet-friendly these days, you could always invest in one of the ethical stocks and shares ISAs. Slightly better return than a normal savings account, but with the fund being managed by someone that should know what they're doing.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 08 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for long time to reply.

I was owed 1.5k GBP, and left it in the INR account I was running at the time. At that point, the rate was 1:100, now it is 1:83.

Access to the account is annoying, but you guys are right, I could take the money out for a nice gain (about 300 GBP), but would be sacrificing the back up funds in another currency. Plus interest is 4%, interest in the UK is 0.4% in the Metrobank ISA account I just opened Laughing

I will be storing lots of GBP in the English system, nice to have /something/ hedged against the Brexit lunacy imploding.

Anyway, thanks for the advice
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 08 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

We put all our savings into property when interest rates went south. We bought a second house to rent, gives us around 6% yield. With the spare few grand we did the same but via property partner which is giving smaller yield at around 4% but thats not taking into account the hpi increase so long term might get close to a 10% annualised return over 5 years plus.
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