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Posted: 23:40 - 07 Nov 2017 Post subject: New Rider in need of advice |
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Hi, Brace yourselves as this may be a long one.
So, im 17 at the moment but turn 18 on the 16th of this month.I got my CBT in 06/17 after doing it on a 125cc scooter but learning the first part on a geared bike. My dad is the one paying for my bike so he was the one who says what i get.
No matter how hard i tried he wouldn't let me get a geared bike for safety reasons so i chose the 2010 SYM GTS 125 Evo as i am a large guy and dont want something too small for me. The problems have now started...
The first problem is starting the damn thing in the morning, it always turn on with no problem but every single time cuts out after maybe 10 sec. it than takes maybe 5-10 minutes of on-off-on-off before it will idle comfortably, it still cuts out if i brake too hard and let the revs drop. I believe that it only puts out 9KW instead the the limit of 11KW and being very heavy this is a major setback as it is just so sluggish and maxes out at about 63mph although occasionally i reach higher speeds (highest being just past 70mph). Now the engine had just decided to die all of a sudden, it was left from about 9:00am to 6:00pm outside after riding it fine in the morning. When i came to start it at the end of the day the engine had zero signs of life. Ive checked the spark plug, battery, starter motor, fuel and temperature but nothing seems to bring it back to life.
Since getting my licence i have also gotten into the hobby of playing airsoft every weekend(google it). This makes even more problems as the airsoft sites are located on an old farm and a disused quarry. Getting there causes major problems as unpaved, chalky, soaking wet roads and a maxi scooter dont mix too well, not to mention the effect of the huge effect the constant bumps and potholes have on the suspension.
Now, i am considering the possibility of selling it for as much as i can and then buying a bike such as a Honda CG, Yamaha YBR125 ect. The problem being that i have absolutely no money to do this. Ive already paid around £500 for insurance from 01/09/17 to 01/09/18 and really can't afford to lose all that money.
I need advice on what i should do as i'm starting to run out of options. My dad said that i won't be getting a new bike until i pass my next license at age 19 but even then i will have to pay for it myself (should have a job then).
TLDR: I need to upgrade to a better bike that better suits my needs but dont have the cash to do so and have no idea how im going to last until i am 19 to pass my A2 licence.
Thanks for any advice and thanks for making it all the way to the end!
--Edited to display correct insurance dates--
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Posted: 10:54 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Technical problems go in the Workshop section. Daddy issues go in Dear Auntie BCF. Airsoft goes in Random Banter but it sounds weird and probably unlegal.
For your idling problems I'd suspect the auto-choke not automatically choking, or the idle speed just set too low. That's a wild sight-unseen guess based on the information to hand.
adengtg wrote: | When i came to start it at the end of the day the engine had zero signs of life |
You push the starter button and what happens, exactly?
Is there any sign of life from any of the electrics when you turn the ignition on?
adengtg wrote: | Ive checked the spark plug, battery, starter motor, fuel and temperature but nothing seems to bring it back to life. |
Checked them how? That they're still present? That you have continuity and good voltage?
Have you tried shorting the starter solenoid (google it)? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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Rogerborg wrote: | Technical problems go in the Workshop section. Daddy issues go in Dear Auntie BCF. Airsoft goes in Random Banter but it sounds weird and probably unlegal.
For your idling problems I'd suspect the auto-choke not automatically choking, or the idle speed just set too low. That's a wild sight-unseed guess based on the information to hand.
adengtg wrote: | When i came to start it at the end of the day the engine had zero signs of life |
You push the starter button and what happens, exactly?
Is there any sign of life from any of the electrics when you turn the ignition on?
adengtg wrote: | Ive checked the spark plug, battery, starter motor, fuel and temperature but nothing seems to bring it back to life. |
Checked them how? That they're still present? That you have continuity and good voltage?
Have you tried shorting the starter solenoid (google it)? |
Yeah, i was really tired when i wrote this so its all badly laid out etc. Bacically, electrics work fine, starter motor works but the engine just doesnt seem to respond to it and come to life. Ive checked that the chamber is actually feeding fuel, that the sparkplug actually has a spark, the battery voltage is fine and the starter motor works. |
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Posted: 15:16 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Hmm, OK.
Is it a good strong, snappy blue spark?
Is the plug tip fouled at all? If you've got any fuelling issues going on, it's handy to keep a spare, clean plug to hand to swap in to see if that helps.
It may be that your choke has given up the ghost big style and it's either failed open (too lean to start) or closed (too rich to start although it'll more often start up then die if that's the case).
Your choke is going to look something like this.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dk0AAOxycmBS0Pxi/s-l500.jpg
The tip should make some movement when you turn on the ignition when the scooter is cold. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 15:24 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Hmm, OK.
Is it a good strong, snappy blue spark?
Is the plug tip fouled at all? If you've got any fuelling issues going on, it's handy to keep a spare, clean plug to hand to swap in to see if that helps.
It may be that your choke has given up the ghost big style and it's either failed open (too lean to start) or closed (too rich to start although it'll more often start up then die if that's the case).
Your choke is going to look something like this.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dk0AAOxycmBS0Pxi/s-l500.jpg
The tip should make some movement when you turn on the ignition when the scooter is cold. |
Alright, ill go and have a look at using the manual choke |
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Posted: 15:33 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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Fizzoid wrote: | Yeah, people running around the woods chasing each other, while dressed as soldiers, sounds very...odd... |
Concerning. Next they'll be normalising it with forums and Facebook groups and all sorts.
adengtg wrote: | Alright, ill go and have a look at using the manual choke |
Urgh, manual choke? Cable operated? Sorry, I've sold you a dummy then.
Worth investigating the functioning of it though, to see if the cable's snapped or detached.
Still, most fuelling problems are electrical, so I'd also do a plug swap or at least give the current one a good clean. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Fizzoid wrote: | Yeah, people running around the woods chasing each other, while dressed as soldiers, sounds very...odd... |
Concerning. Next they'll be normalising it with forums and Facebook groups and all sorts.
adengtg wrote: | Alright, ill go and have a look at using the manual choke |
Urgh, manual choke? Cable operated? Sorry, I've sold you a dummy then.
Worth investigating the functioning of it though, to see if the cable's snapped or detached.
Still, most fuelling problems are electrical, so I'd also do a plug swap or at least give the current one a good clean. |
wait wait wait, i think i saw a manual choke near the engine bay but im not sure. As the forum states im a new rider to all of this is new to me but im going to give it a try best i can. |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Fizzoid wrote: | Yeah, people running around the woods chasing each other, while dressed as soldiers, sounds very...odd... |
Concerning. Next they'll be normalising it with forums and Facebook groups and all sorts.
There are tens of thousands of us
adengtg wrote: | Alright, ill go and have a look at using the manual choke |
Urgh, manual choke? Cable operated? Sorry, I've sold you a dummy then.
Worth investigating the functioning of it though, to see if the cable's snapped or detached.
Still, most fuelling problems are electrical, so I'd also do a plug swap or at least give the current one a good clean. |
Well, on my fault finding adventure ive found that i was mistaken by the manual choke but not yet found where all the wireing is but i have found a power outlet in the glovebox... yay... |
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Posted: 16:35 - 08 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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adengtg wrote: | Yeah, execpt more realistic as you wouldnt be able to tell an airsoft gun from a real one at first glance. |
That sounds dangerouse, can't that land you in trouble with the law?
If you don't have an obvious looking choke lever up on the bars or dash with a symbol like this on it:
https://jlw97.fatcow.com/saabstories/pages/weber_dcnf/preview/dcnf_42.jpg
Then it's likely you've got an auto-choke on the carb.
I mean, assuming it is a carb rather than fuel injection, Sym are moderately advanced as Noodle Boxes go. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 163 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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