Anti-News: deafening silence on Euro4 bikes

The Shaggy D.A. · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Sep 2008 Karma :

Royal Enfield have done their update, but oy vey, those prices...

https://www.motoroids.com/news/2017-royal-enfield-classic-500-bullet-500-now-get-abs-rear-disc-brake/
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Think I would rather skin my nuts than pay 10k for a Enfield.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

I assume that's a typo. Those prices are all over the place, and I doubt that a legit Euro 4 Bullet 500 could still be £4K, given Sterling's slump. Or it could be a "I'll come back when you have none" price. Whistle

Oh, I also assume that "now available" means "Sanjev, it's 2017, so lash something up on that batch of bikes, will you? No, don't worry, just throw on any old components and say it's Euro 4, we'll get Arjun in R&D to start thinking about how to do it properly later."
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Yamaha belatedly announce their Euro4 commuter, the YS125:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/february/yamaha-ys125-launched/

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/yamaha-reveals-new-125-commuter (kick start? Where?)

Combined braking rather than ABS, available for £2800 of your Brexit pounds, possibly + OTR, mid-March.

Looks like something Lexmoto would punt out the door. It's lost its rear luggage rack in favour of grab handles, for all those times you want to carry a pillion rather than a chain.

It's not exactly rocking my world, but at least they've come up with something while Honda seem to be twiddling their thumbs.
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M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

How many ponies? Surely they can eke out a dozen, right?

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

They're not saying, and every fraction counts. I'm sure they'll say that it's up on torque, which is great most of the time on anything bigger than a 125, but little comfort when you run out of puff at 55 on the bypass with Audiman up your chuff.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Tech-spec is up:

https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/motorcycles/urban-mobility/ys125.aspx?view=featurestechspecs

7.8 kW @ 7,500 rpm =~ 10.5hp
10.8 Nm @ 6,000 rpm

So, pretty much identical to the outgoing CB125F, i.e. a bit shit.

Bennetts - ironically now the best source for bike news - claims an RRP of £3K. There's no price shown on the Yamaha site, and I expect they haven't really decided yet, and are waiting to see if Honda let anything slip.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/february/2017-yamaha-ys125

Oooh, an "eco indicator" though, because you won't be ragging it everywhere. Rolling Eyes

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Snowdonia Rider · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Oct 2014 Karma :

I've been looking into registering a 17 plate MonkeyBike as everything around now has been pre registered due to the Eurobollocks panicking of course. Anyway, apparently getting one SVA'd will be just fine despite it not having any of the Eurobollocks shit.

Not sure why I want a MonkeyBike anyway Thinking

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DrSnoosnoo · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Karma :

I was reading about the Yam Mt-07 yesterday.

So y'know this tiered licensing malarkey? How you can have a restricted power licence 35 kW (or whatever) and then after a couple of years, go for big boy test and ride full powaaah?

Well the A2 friendly MT-07 has a DIFFERENT ECU and a smaller intake, which, due to the anti-tamper rulz, you CANNOT remove to derestrict the bike once you've attained the full licence*. You would need to buy another MT07, but the full power version.

If this is the trend, thanks to EU, will manufacturers just now look to make bikes that are naturally <35kW, not <70 kW so they can be restricted?

*My source was MCN.
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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

It makes sense though, as the whole restrict a big bike down to 33 or 46bhp and enjoy a perfect powerful steed after ripping up your restricted licence papers two years later is largely a bollocks and crap idea. Big bikes never rode better when restricted, only worse. And the running costs didn't change nor did insurance because it had a castrated engine etc.

Manufacturers have been lazy for nearly 20years in offering half arsed not cutting edge middle weights that you can have factory restricted for your licence. And with the hope all the riders will be good little people and accept whatever can't be arsed shit they are given the choice to ride.

They'll have to finally work a bit harder now and finally make light and trick and exciting 46bhp natural bikes that people will want to buy.

If they don't then they need to make the world's best scooters, 125's and mopeds, and some spunky exotic halo superbikes, and just accept all their trade will ever be is firstly keeping the city commuters and transport on a budget people happy. And also making older experienced wealthy riders wet over some exotic superbikes to spash all their must have a trendy toy money on.

They'll have to also accept that every year they'll be losing a decent chunk of would be progression bikers that start small or young and aspire to one day own a super FireninjaRR thingy, made by the same firm that supplied their fuel sipping college commuter etc.

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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Fuel used = revs * throttle, so a real economy figure needs to know both.

Sadly, for 125s you need both revs and throttle to make any sort of progress, so I imagine the economy meter is more of a "travelling / not travelling" display.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Mmm hmm. And with manufacturers not knowing whether they need to go for dry or wet weight to pacify every Euro satrapy, we've got the 35kW / ~200kg CB500.

It probably is a do-anything bike. If you could only have one bike, ever, it would be reasonable choice. But it's just that, reasonable. It's neither light, nor powerful. It's precisely as much fun as it's allowed to be, by a boring bureaucrat in the bowels of Brussels.
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NJD · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Karma :

Holy thread revival.

Popped into ze bike shop and had a Euro 4 section with about three or four bikes in. Only managed to snap a picture of the caliper since by the time I'd figure it as something to do while waiting the bill was ready and I left.

Quite a big caliper was about all that came to mind. Had a nice see through brake resivour (auto correct fails me) but other than that looked about average. This was on the venom or a version thereof.

Bike shop was almost empty compared to normal in terms of import brands sitting beside one another all the way up the wall from the door.

https://s1.postimg.org/eiy0g66pb/3_stop.jpg
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