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Hawkeye1250FA
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Lorry racing Reply with quote

I don't normally care about Lorrys overtaking each other, they need to be on the road etc etc. blah blah.

Coming up the M6 at Stafford yesterday (on the new bit where its 4 lanes now)

3 of the feckers!! It took "us" (the cars caught in the cross fire) 7-10 minutes to get through because of the daft 65mph crew that were now forced into lane 4.

Is it really necessary to overtake a lorry that is already overtaking a lorry!!?

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PostPosted: 12:37 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itz about respect, innit

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PostPosted: 12:42 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their cargo only has a limited amount of air, you monster.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is money in the trucking business.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is more important than money to the rest of us.

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PostPosted: 15:19 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread comes up from time to time. I'll summarise the conclusions it usually gets to:

1. Yes, this happens and is annoying to be stuck behind.
2. This will keep happening. Some days it will happen a lot, and your journey will take longer.
3. The problem used to be worse. The improvement may be down to drivers not being arseholes, wider roads, or better road design.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

diagram missing bikes filtering through truck 3 and cars Thumbs Down #plentyspace
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

vice wrote:
diagram missing bikes filtering through truck 3 and cars Thumbs Down #plentyspace


oops.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
This thread comes up from time to time. I'll summarise the conclusions it usually gets to:

1. Yes, this happens and is annoying to be stuck behind.
2. This will keep happening. Some days it will happen a lot, and your journey will take longer.
3. The problem used to be worse. The improvement may be down to drivers not being arseholes, wider roads, or better road design.


Useful shortened version! Smile

I've read most of the other threads, but none specifically about 3 lorries overtaking each other.

And its the first time I've seen it on the Motorway system (I dont drive on many 4 lane motorways).
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever talked to a lorry driver?

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PostPosted: 16:00 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

vice wrote:
diagram missing bikes filtering through truck 3 and cars Thumbs Down #plentyspace

This. "If you want to get past, get a bike."
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the issue isn't so much the lorries, but other drivers not knowing what to do. ie, hard shoulder, 90mph. Or, come off at the next junction and get back in front of said lorries.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully appreciate that Lorries need to be there - and also to overtake...

But I cant get my head around why there was a need to overtake the overtaker?

I'm also fully aware that the issue I encountered isn't actually the fault of the lorry drivers, it was the 65mph cvnts who then continued doing 65mph in lane 3...

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Have you ever talked to a lorry driver?


Regularly, why do you ask? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
vice wrote:
diagram missing bikes filtering through truck 3 and cars Thumbs Down #plentyspace

This. "If you want to get past, get a bike."


Normally the case. Had to take the car to the garage that night - hence why I was in it.

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
I fully appreciate that Lorries need to be there - and also to overtake...

But I cant get my head around why there was a need to overtake the overtaker?

I'm also fully aware that the issue I encountered isn't actually the fault of the lorry drivers, it was the 65mph cvnts who then continued doing 65mph in lane 3...

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Have you ever talked to a lorry driver?


Regularly, why do you ask? Confused


My understanding is that it has a lot to do with gearing, load, velocity and momentum which obviously affects fuel usage and hence costs. Losing momentum in a fully loaded rig can take a hell of a lot of effort to regain, so what ends up happening is rather than easing off the better option is always to try gain more then ease off. Only what happens is a truck that is loaded will have more momentum on a slight decline, which could change to an incline during the overtake, if the truck that he is trying to overtake has a lighter load will now have more momentum and they kind of end up in a stalemate along side each other. Rinse and repeat and you now have three lanes of traffic with trucks trying to overtake each other.

Although I could just be making the entire thing up Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am disappoint

I expected a thread about https://youtu.be/d0PqI5peh4Y
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
But I cant get my head around why there was a need to overtake the overtaker?
It's the same principle no matter how many lanes. Doing 2mph more than the slower bloke over 300 miles is a worthwhile move.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:
Hawkeye1250FA wrote:
But I cant get my head around why there was a need to overtake the overtaker?
It's the same principle no matter how many lanes. Doing 2mph more than the slower bloke over 300 miles is a worthwhile move.

Yes, it can buy you up to 10 minutes, at the cost of many fuels.

They could get the same benefit by strangling a cheaper and/or less feisty prostitute.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 minutes may be the difference between sleeping in the truck and going home for the night I believe.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 13 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generalisation but

Lorry 1 will be some slow Health and safety jobsworth looking to flesh out his 6 1/2 day to ensure the planner can't fire him out on another job. His cruise control will be set to 51MPH (which he will insist is for "safety").

Lorry 2 will be the guy doing multidrops and his planner will have been a touch optimistic on just how many drops are achievable. His cruise control will be on 55MPH.

Lorry 3 will be the tramper on day 6 or the day guy on job and knock. They long ago fucked off cruise control and any eco mode the truck has and are doing their best to generate enough overspeeds that the next time they download their drivers card trutac will have a meltdown.


G wrote:
10 minutes may be the difference between sleeping in the truck and going home for the night I believe.


If one of my snowflakes ran out of time 10 minutes from depot I'd ensure he was rescued. Not out of any love for the steering wheel attendant but because leaving a lorry parked up for 9 hours when it's not far away is a total waste of resources.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 16 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only what happens is a truck that is loaded will have more momentum on a slight decline, which could change to an incline during the overtake, if the truck that he is trying to overtake has a lighter load will now have more momentum and they kind of end up in a stalemate along side each other. Rinse and repeat and you now have three lanes of traffic with trucks trying to overtake each other.


I would have hoped that as professional drivers, they would be able to predict the above and not start the ridiculous 3rd overtake to begin with and just wait for the 2nd one to finish? But perhaps i'm giving them too much credit.

My father in law is a truck driver and regularly shows us how bad at driving he actually is in the car, yet insists hes better than Joe public because of his job...

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Generalisation but ...


Yeah I figured it would be slow, slightly less slow, tiny bit faster type issues.

I've also been told (again by the father in law) that they sometimes overtake because they are bored! And the triple overtake is generally never possible, so they jump at the chance to do it!

Lolz!
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 16 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're working on the basis that truck drivers care about other road users.

As with so many in so many professions, many have a, ah, 'significant' view of their own importance in the world in relation to others.
If you were to judge it by money spent on running a vehicle, that view would likely be justified!

wr6133 wrote:

If one of my snowflakes ran out of time 10 minutes from depot I'd ensure he was rescued.

Ok, 10 minutes outside the 'rescue limit' Smile.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 16 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought that lorries were restricted to lanes 1 and 2.

Is that only on a 3 lane motorway then?
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 16 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes; if there's more than two lanes they're not allowed to use the outside lane.

Note that this is only for those over 7.5t - a 7.5t has the same rules as a diddy van like a Transit Connect.
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