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rhys99 wrote: | Does this not prove that the Licensing system does not work? and that in fact if you're riding a 125 you're most likely to die than anyone else? personally i think from 17 you should be able to ride a 250cc bike and then at 19 be restricted to 100bhp or something along those lines. It's hardly fair that a 17 year old can drive a 1.0 corsa which is faster than a 125 and will happily sit on motorways all day. |
It's an interesting way of looking at it I suppose, but also from those graphs there is a bit of a spike in the early and mid 40's age range. Suggests probably some new bikers got onboard a 1000cc and put it into a wall at speed.
As for a 1.0 corsa thrashing a 125, I disagree. I had a 1.3 litre polo as my first car back in the 90's and that thing would do 70 downhill with a tailwind and not a lot more. My 125 scooter used to show a clean pair of heels to most small cars - up to 50mph at least.
I do remember being young and I remember how unfair everything seemed - paying loads more insurance, not being able to have a Cosworth, wanting to turbo charge my polo. I dropped hundreds on that car - K&N racing air filter, big exhaust, alloys. Made naff all difference of course but I felt like I was a race driver. I then got a Golf GTI at the age of 20 when I came into an inheritance. That was nearly the end of my life - at a car cruise, racing someone in a BMW something or other, two abreast up the middle of Chelsea because we both wanted to win. One of the other boy racers coming the other way tried an overtake and I had already shut my eyes waiting for impact. Clipped my wing mirror. I was going about 80 ish from memory. He must have been doing similar. That would have been it.
I can but imagine what I would have been like on a big bike at that age. I genuinely don't think I would be alive today. This is somebody who to date has 21 years NCB on a car and 5 years NCB on a bike, so I wouldn't say I am a complete tool behind the wheel, but that is because I was made to wait before getting on or in anything that could 0 - 62 in under 5s.
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I don't doubt the Corsa as I've driven one, but the Micra? |
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I do feel sorry for new bikers with the current selection of trabble bikes on offer...
Sorry happy i did mine on the 33bhp law ____________________ Current ride: ZX6R 636 ------- Previous:KTM EXC 450 Supermoto --- ZX6R B1H --Hornet 600--CBR 600--SV650
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Waaarrrggghhh wrote: | I think a good compromise between the age restrictions and making biking more accessible is to keep 17 year olds restricted to 125cc, and then when they are 19, they can take a CBT-style course on a 250cc. At the end the instructor will decide if they are safe/responsible enough to ride this. When they are 21, they can do the same course on a big bike. So no more stupid tests and massive test fees. |
That's pretty much what the DfT are now proposing (395cc+ bike at 19 though), although due to the exact wording of the 3DLD it may only apply to going from A2 to A at 21, not A1 to A2.
Which is still daft as a brush, since surely the goal should be to get 17 year olds to get training or demonstrate their competence ASAP. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I actually think that 250cc or thereabouts was a good size for learners. Part of the learner danger is that they are restricted to machines that struggle to keep up to normal traffic speeds in certain situations (I'm not talking about motorways). Yes, theoretically a 125 is capable of 60-70mph, but given things like a strong headwind, steep incline etc, it's often not realistic to expect them to achieve that speed when other traffic can. So you finish up slowing the vehicles behind you and this creates frustration for other road users (rightly or wrongly), and the potential for accidents rises. To genuinely be capable of keeping to traffic speeds on a main A road, the bike should have an actual available top speed of about 90mph in my view. This wouldn't make it too powerful for new riders.
The problem we had when the 250 laws were changed was that there were these looney two strokes which had sudden and rapid acceleration that could catch out a more novice rider. But those days are gone now, and four strokes are a lot tamer, so why not go back to a 250 limit for learners? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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If we're going to have soLo Learner riding at all, I'm fine with restricting it to 125cc / 11kW. Allowing 250 and 30hp is just about enough that you'd never really have to get any training or pass a couple of simple tests, and even more folk would just rub along on their provisionaL entitlement indefinitely.
The problem I have with the current system is that there's very little incentive for 17 year olds to do anything beyond the CBT. We could, even under Eurorules, allow A2 at 18 rather than 19, although strictly speaking we'd then have to push A1 down to 16. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 92 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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