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| Rogerborg wrote: | Ooh, #BLM, fugee-representing judge-activist throws down big style.
Two weeks in and already a constitutional crisis. It took Sharia May 6 months to manage that.  |
I've just read the news and this makes me question the sanity of Donald Trump and his cabinet.
It doesn't quite matter what the jugde says or does, he is the jugde and he, within the law system of the US of A, made a independent judicial decisions. The appeal is an instrument of redress of court decisions, not the social media with stupid remarks (quote: ''Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!'') Blame him and court system, is he mental?
Judge sees conflict of law, acts acordingly. Trump says the judge is basically the enemy of the free world and whatever happens (in the few days the court of Appeal takes to think about it) is the judge's fault.
I thought they've told the world Trump had very highly educated staff members and consultants. Why do they let him say and do such stupidities. Independence of the judiciary is one of the base stones of democracy. If anyone can fiddle with what judge's say and ruling, then the system just won't work (or work for only one interested party, 1948-1989 Czechoslovakia)
EDIT: What's even more disturbing is the Czech news internet sites and people supporting Trump in the comment sections. Trump does what avg. population thinks is right and avg. population has got no clue of how things work. If Trump ''fires'' the judge, then it's over for democracy in the US of A, as other judges won't be unbiased in order to keep their jobs.
Also, what kind of argument people use make me laugh, they say Robart was appointed by Obama, so this behaviour was expected. Who on earth should have appointed him? Should all the judges just quit the moment a president quits? People are delusional.
The best rated comments on those Czech sites pretty much say: ,,I do not know what the law says, but I do agree with Trump...'' and even something about the so called ''Judicial mafia'' 
The best comment of them all (Czech site, translated):
''So who actually runs the country? The democratically elected president or an unelected judge? This is anarchy!!!'' 
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Independence of the judiciary is one of the base stones of democracy. |
High level Septic judges are political appointees and routinely vote the party line - see the huge kerfuffle over stuffing the vacant 9th seat on their Supreme Court with the Right sort of chap.
Trump is irate because the one that just gypped him was meant to be a Republican, but has since decloaked as a closed pinko liberal who has fostered several migrant kids. Are you convinced that his concern is with the law, rather than with a political agenda?
| RhynoCZ wrote: | they say Robart was appointed by Obama |
They say wrong, he was a Bush II appointee.
Trump is entirely correct to note that if any of the migrants let in under Robart's meddling go snackbar, then the responsibility for that lies with Robart. That's cold, hard reality.
It's also a very unlikely scenario, but I try not to underestimate the snack attack.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Are you convinced that his concern is with the law, rather than with a political agenda? |
To be honest, I have had no idea the 'merican judicial system was a popularity contest. I had it for a independent institution in a democratic country. What's the point really? Anyway, even if the judge was biased when making such rulling, there are higher instance courts to decide whether he was right in doing so or not. So far they only say there is a conflict of law, so it only feels right to point this out and question Trump's decisions.
| Rogerborg wrote: | They say wrong, he was a Bush II appointee. |
Does not quite matter, the chap who wrote this pretty much won the comment rating race. 
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | independent institution in a democratic country. |
They're not truly independent though, and they shouldn't be, or else you'd have an unelected, unaccountable class of barons appointing their own successors.
Judges at some level have to be appointed by someone holding a democratic mandate to do so.
So far, so good. The problem comes when a judge goes rogue and steps outwith the law, as Robart appears to have done by giving rights of audience to a State in a strictly Federal matter. Who should have the power to get rid of them?
I find it very curious that the same democratic institutions that empower themselves to appoint judges on party political grounds then seem to say "Ah, but, we can't be trusted to remove them."
Why not? If not elected politicians, then who?
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Just so I understand the meaning of term: appointed
1) The law sets rules for being a judge: Education, Age, Passing an exam of some sore, Law related job experience and so on... to the list of things you shall not do if appointed (being a senator, political representative, president...)
2) If you fufil all the above, you may ask for being put on the ''soon to be a judge'' list.
3) Then when an actuall judge dies or steps down from his post, you are being appointed by the president.
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But the president has got no say in it. If you fufil the criteria, you are being appointed no questions asked. If the president decides not to appoint you, you may demand the court to decide. So no body influences the independency of the judicial system.
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Removing such judges may happen also only if the law says so, it should never be a decision of a president, gov. and others, based on political and personal views.
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Once again, I haven't actually did my research on how can one become a judge in the US of A.
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Beat me to it.
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Just when you thought shouty lefties couldn't find anything else to whine about, they start whining about other shouty lefties.
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There has to be more to this Anti Trump propaganda than meets the eye.
The apparently impartial Al Beeb, ITV and even the speaker of the HoC, are ridiculously and vehemently demonising a leader who has done very little of any bad.
The threat of wanting to control his countries borders makes headline news, as does any link to Russia. Meanwhile the US can bomb one of the countries on a temporary visa ban, killing civilians and nobody bats an eyelid.
There are far worse shits in Europe, let alone the world, to be bothered about someone in a country thousands of miles across the Atlantic, doing shit which kills nobody and affects nobody in the UK, other than enraging snowflakes.
I reckon this is pure pro EU propaganda and demonising Russia and Trump, whilst creating an enemy link between them and Europe, is just a way of justifying the need for the EU to its members and protecting the EU.
Anyone else, or do I need to put the tin foil away? 
ITV are at it now. Anti Trump, anti Putin (Ukraine story) and anti Brexit. Or pro EU, if you like.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/
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"Muslim ban [...] Why are we spinning this story?"
Thought you'd slip that one through, did you? 
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| mpd72 wrote: | There has to be more to this Anti Trump propaganda than meets the eye.
The apparently impartial Al Beeb, ITV and even the speaker of the HoC, are ridiculously and vehemently demonising a leader who has done very little of any bad.
The threat of wanting to control his countries borders makes headline news, as does any link to Russia. Meanwhile the US can bomb one of the countries on a temporary visa ban, killing civilians and nobody bats an eyelid.
There are far worse shits in Europe, let alone the world, to be bothered about someone in a country thousands of miles across the Atlantic, doing shit which kills nobody and affects nobody in the UK, other than enraging snowflakes.
I reckon this is pure pro EU propaganda and demonising Russia and Trump, whilst creating an enemy link between them and Europe, is just a way of justifying the need for the EU to its members and protecting the EU.
Anyone else, or do I need to put the tin foil away?
ITV are at it now. Anti Trump, anti Putin (Ukraine story) and anti Brexit. Or pro EU, if you like.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/ |
I don't think there's a conspiracy, there has always been an over interest in the US (I guess cos of the cultural links), and an indifference to whatever country's currently being freed by American bombs.
Sure Trump has upset a lot of people, and I think the Russian link's an effective way of demonising someone in the states, it wasn't that long ago Obama was being branded a communist for his healthcare reforms. |
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"Muslim ban [...] Why are we spinning this story?"
Thought you'd slip that one through, did you? |
Everyone seems to forget that Obama was the person who created the same list that kek master is using.
They also forget that Iranians where barred from entry under Obama's rule as well. |
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| Loui5D wrote: | Everyone seems to forget that Obama was the person who created the same list that kek master is using. |
The Legacy Media certainly chose to ignore that, but the God Emperor got the news out on Twitter. They really are looking increasingly irrelevant.
| Loui5D wrote: | They also forget that Iranians where barred from entry under Obama's rule as well. |
Iraqis, and under limited circumstance, but we're in a Post Factual world now, so, eh, close enough.
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Europhile in hatred of US non shocker?
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Europhile in hatred of US non shocker? |
By god you're tedious.
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Brilliant (Last week tonight, 12. 2. 2017): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecEV4dSAXE
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