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PostPosted: 18:15 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: No pressure in front caliper after draining Reply with quote

Thought I'd overhaul the front brake caliper over my long weekend, but it's all gone a bit wrong.

Removed the pads and started pumping out the pistons (2 pot caliper), held one in a bit so they wouldn't come out at the same time and I could seperate them. However I overdid it and when the front came out, the rear was still firmly in. Thought I'd just slip the front one back in, reconnect and fill it up and pump them out again, but I can't seem to get any pressure to build up.

I assume its an airlock but I can't seem to get rid of it. I've tried bleeding the usual way, I've tried reverse bleeding it (just comes out around where the tubing meets the bleed nipple), Ive tried using the syringe to suck brake fluid through (got some bubbles and then just fluid), tried putting the end of the tubing in some fluid and then just pumping the lever (fluid goes through but the lever won't harden at all).

I don't need it to be perfect at this point, I just need the pressure to pump the pistons out, what am I missing? Why won't it build up any pressure?
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: No pressure in front caliper after draining Reply with quote

Falco wrote:
I've tried reverse bleeding it (just comes out around where the tubing meets the bleed nipple)

I'd stick with that. Cable tie the tube onto the nipple or twist some wire around it. You could also shrink the end of the tube to get a snugger fit by carefully heating it.

Whip the top off the reservoir, no pressure on the lever, and fluid should flow up the line when you press on the syringe. No need to go berserk, just enough pressure to get it slowly filling the reservoir.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: No pressure in front caliper after draining Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Falco wrote:
I've tried reverse bleeding it (just comes out around where the tubing meets the bleed nipple)

I'd stick with that. Cable tie the tube onto the nipple or twist some wire around it. You could also shrink the end of the tube to get a snugger fit by carefully heating it.

Whip the top off the reservoir, no pressure on the lever, and fluid should flow up the line when you press on the syringe. No need to go berserk, just enough pressure to get it slowly filling the reservoir.


Cheers Roger, cable tie did the job (still leaked but managed to keep enough pressure to get it done) Thumbs Up

Turned out the rear piston was sticking quite badly. Took 3 attempts to get them both out. Now to rebuild them....and get the air out of the coolant system.....and adjust the chain and and and and.........
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 30 Jan 2017    Post subject: Re: No pressure in front caliper after draining Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Cable tie the tube onto the nipple or twist some wire around it. You could also shrink the end of the tube to get a snugger fit by carefully heating it.

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PostPosted: 19:21 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the brakes aren't done with me quite yet....

Rebuilt the calipers and put it back on the bike with fresh pads, bled it, but now the front wheel is binding. It spins freely with the pads pushed back but once pumped out it starts to bind.

It's like the pistons aren't retracting properly, but all the sliding pins are greased and the pistons shiny clean. Whatever the issue is, the upshot is that the wheel is spinning maybe 3/4 of a rotation before stopping.

What's the next step in figuring this latest problem out?
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Did you clean out any corrosion in the grooves the seals live in ?

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:14 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've yet to find a better way of bleeding brakes than, attaching a tube to the open nipple putting it in a jar of fluid and pumping the brakes till air stops coming out. It's simple, quick and for me, full proof.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Did you clean out any corrosion in the grooves the seals live in ?

All the best

Katy


yes, there were in fact no dust seals at all so there was a load of gunk in there but it was all scraped out prior to reassembly.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 31 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foot pump is ideal way to get pistons out, connect by bleed nipple.
Rubber sheet pressed with hand, will seal a vacant pot.
Use a scrap banjo, blocked up to seal that hole.

Care needed to avoid shooting piston into face or hole in celling.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I am at a loss now. double checked the the sliding pins could move well, that pistons are pumping out, tried it with less fluid in reservoir, with more in reservoir, pushing pistons back in with reservoir lid off to make sure there isn't too much fluid. I have no idea what could be the problem Brick Wall

Took it for a quick 1.5m ride, disc rotor was warm at the end but with no front braking whatsoever so its still binding.

Next up is to disassemble it again, but since it has already been cleaned and greased I am not sure I see what good it would do. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 01 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Nothing majorly obvious then (assuming the calipers are not bent). But if sliding calipers the pins aren't overly lubed (ie, could seal the pins enough so they can push slightly).

Other chance (but not common), are the seals directional ones?

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:24 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Nothing majorly obvious then (assuming the calipers are not bent). But if sliding calipers the pins aren't overly lubed (ie, could seal the pins enough so they can push slightly).

Other chance (but not common), are the seals directional ones?

All the best

Katy


I certainly hope the caliper isn't bent! With regard to the sliding pins, how much is too much?

I don't believe they are. I tried measuring them with the calipers and they gave the same, I tried comparing them to the old ones and I tried putting them in both ways round and feeling for a lip, no difference that I could tell.

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PostPosted: 19:53 - 02 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Falco wrote:

I certainly hope the caliper isn't bent! With regard to the sliding pins, how much is too much?


Too much is when the caliper won't slide freely all the way over on the pins; instead it gets a way across and then 'bounces' back

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