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"Western Sharia Police".
If you can watch that without your heart pounding and your mouth going dry, then I don't even want you in my packet of gammon.
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Boris says women in burkas look like bank robbers and letterboxes 
And is immediately accused of Islamophobia 
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TBH, If it winds the muslims up a bit, then who cares? Its totally worth it. Besides, they struggle to conceal their true
colours when in "Outraged Mode". Pretty hard for Liberal Media to gloss over thousands of frothing, flag burning,
pyjama wearing, anti UK, religious nutjobs taking to the streets demanding Johnsons head served to them
on a platter. Will be interesting to see how our sandal wearing best buds play this one.  One things for sure,
an Islamic reaction is guaranteed. It's unlikely to be a reasonable or measured one imo.
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So, is Boris stirring the pot on purpose or just not engaging brain before opening mouth. |
It's just Boris being Boris. He's right, they do look like walking letterboxes, you just don't expect prominent politicians to make such comments in public. Well, ok, you do expect Boris to But people are oversensitive for sure. Sense of humour failure, leading to a storm in a teacup.
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| grr666 wrote: | TBH, If it winds the muslims up a bit, then who cares? Its totally worth it. Besides, they struggle to conceal their true
colours when in "Outraged Mode". Pretty hard for Liberal Media to gloss over thousands of frothing, flag burning,
pyjama wearing, anti UK, religious nutjobs taking to the streets demanding Johnsons head served to them
on a platter. Will be interesting to see how our sandal wearing best buds play this one. One things for sure,
an Islamic reaction is guaranteed. It's unlikely to be a reasonable or measured one imo. |
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: |
So, is Boris stirring the pot on purpose or just not engaging brain before opening mouth. |
It's just Boris being Boris. He's right, they do look like walking letterboxes, you just don't expect prominent politicians to make such comments in public. Well, ok, you do expect Boris to But people are oversensitive for sure. Sense of humour failure, leading to a storm in a teacup. |
It's not *just* Boris being Boris. It's clever - and it's stupid. Clever practically; stupid politically.
RE the former - what sparked his comments was the arrest of a covered woman in Denmark. There, like in Belgium, France, Austria, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and others, laws exist to restrict/ban/outlaw the wearing of niqab/burka etc.
Johnson - being a Tory - is generally loathe to add more laws to the statute book (as part of keeping government 'small' etc.), hence why he took this timely opportunity to state that he was strongly against following in the footsteps of neighbouring countries.
However, he is against the wearing of such clothing - and he very much wants the majority of those living in the UK to be against it too. So how can this be achieved?
The obvious and most practical answer is via humour, ridicule, shaming and publicly voiced views. I'm not sure this will work - although it may well do. At any rate, without laws being introduced, I can't immediately see what other options there are.
RE the latter - i.e. as to why his comments are stupid politically - this is because currently Labour are enmired in disagreements around anti-Semitism. The Tories could have let this run and run - but now there's the potential for some voters to think the two main political parties (and a few of the not-so-main ones) are all racist in their own ways. How many "some" is I don't know. But it might be quite a few. The Sajid Javid and Priti Patel factor will probably have taken a few knocks.
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You lot are so fuckin' racist. 
I was pissed off about what Boris said about burqas so decided to send him an angry letter saying how inappropropriate it is for him to be islamaphobic in his position.
When I tried to post it, the letterbox screamed at me. |
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
It's not *just* Boris being Boris....he is against the wearing of such clothing - and he very much wants the majority of those living in the UK to be against it too. So how can this be achieved?
The obvious and most practical answer is via humour, ridicule, shaming |
Can you think of another politician that would have chosen this method? Are you surprised Boris did?
Of course there are issues to be addressed. But they are not new ones, and they are not being ignored by the wider public as far as I can see.
And anyone who thinks that muslims will be "shamed" by this is frankly living in cloud-cuckoo land (and many would say that is just where Boris resides for much of the time). Surely everyone can see this by now?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
It's not *just* Boris being Boris....he is against the wearing of such clothing - and he very much wants the majority of those living in the UK to be against it too. So how can this be achieved?
The obvious and most practical answer is via humour, ridicule, shaming |
Can you think of another politician that would have chosen this method? Are you surprised Boris did?
Of course there are issues to be addressed. But they are not new ones, and they are not being ignored by the wider public as far as I can see.
And anyone who thinks that muslims will be "shamed" by this is frankly living in cloud-cuckoo land (and many would say that is just where Boris resides for much of the time). Surely everyone can see this by now? |
I was just explaining the rationale - and, more simply, pointing out that there *is* one. It's not reducible to some phil the greek type faux pas. It's calculated, and fits pretty well in the broader Conservative agenda. Some people underestimate Johnson - writing him off as a character, etc. There's often more to it than that.
Also, whether they're shamed or not I don't know. But that was not all of the tactic - it was also to turn them into figures of fun.
This will be interpreted by many people as official endorsement of - and support for - shaming, teasing, and ridiculing 'orthodox' muslims. And it's bound to have an effect.
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | And it's bound to have an effect. |
What kind of effect are you thinking?
If people are going to take the piss out of muslims, I'd suggest they probably already do - as is evidenced in this very thread.
Multiculturism requires tolerance of others, but it has to work both ways. In other words, people who come to live here should accept ze Englische sense of ze humour. To me, that's a very important part of our culture, which I think it would be wrong to abandon to make room for others.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | And it's bound to have an effect. |
What kind of effect are you thinking? |
I agree with Boris Johnson's prediction - i.e. that eventually such clothing will disappear in this country. Fwiw I personally don't mind what people wear - but for various reasons (several of which I'm not comfortable with tbh), I dislike muslims and most if not all of what they seem to represent.
Not being a Tory, Conservative nor anything related to them, I have no qualms with passing laws to ban such clothing.
| Quote: | If people are going to take the piss out of muslims, I'd suggest they probably already do - as is evidenced in this very thread.
Multiculturism requires tolerance of others, but it has to work both ways. In other words, people who come to live here should accept ze Englische sense of ze humour. To me, that's a very important part of our culture, which I think it would be wrong to abandon to make room for others. |
Yes. However muslims seem - for various reasons - quite humourless. Also, they have been prevented from integrating (and have come to resist it in turn), so look increasingly unlikely to laugh along at those who turn humour against them. Which isn't surprising when the purpose of the humour is to criticise, and ultimately to control aspects of their behaviour.
I think though that new laws might be more effective.
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| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | [I dislike muslims and most if not all of what they seem to represent. |
I've met some lovely muslims, genuinely warm friendly and engaging. I've also met some absolute shit bags which are of the type you'd probably recognise as typical muslims. They're not all the same, and a lot of it has to do with origin. Pakistani muslims are nothing like Burmese muslims, and Bangladeshi muslims are nothing like middle eastern muslims. It's a bit like trying to paint the English with the one brush by saying we're all carrot crunchers because you've seen people in Somerset, or the English are hub cap nicking perpetual victims because you've met a scouser.
But on a general theme I agree with you. I cannot abide their ideology - especially their attitude and behaviour towards women. The very worst examples were in the middle east where I once saw a fully robed Arab man let his wife carry the hand luggage and wheel a suitcase through the airport, whilst carrying / pulling along 2 small children, then at the lounge he took the one remaining seat opposite me and left his wife standing up. I offered her my seat for her and her children and he scowled at me so badly I thought I'd committed a crime and was going to get banged up. He shouted at her something in their language. She remained standing. Another time my wife was threatened by locals in the Atlas Mountains because she dared to address a man directly. He called her a fucking slag and became extremely hostile. We got the hell out of there quickly and left them to their fucking goats.
I've been to a small handful of muslim weddings and they never cease to amaze me. The Pakistani one I went to, the men were extremely rude to the waitresses to the point where one of the girls was told not to come out and serve that table any more through fear they would escalate things. The Bangladeshi one they were just so self entitled. Shouting things like 'where's my rice? Can't have no curry without no rice' at the servers and generally swaggering about like they're the greatest. We were stared at in the 'WTF are those honkies doing here' type of way by everyone we came across, then just ignored as irrelevant. Think a Muslim wedding is anything like our traditional form? Nope, it's the man's day, not the woman's. They're told to sit in the corner out the way whilst the man sits with his close male relatives on thrones up on stage, whilst the Imam blesses them in their fancy robes for the day. At every one I've ever been to, I've never been introduced to the wife.
| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | look increasingly unlikely to laugh along at those who turn humour against them. |
A while back I had a Muslim guy working for me. Bangladeshi. Self entitled to the extreme. Thought he was going to be a city big shot. Had none of the skills but deluded himself that he did. Anyway, one day he asked me what my wife was like so I showed him a few pictures. He said 'oh man she dresses like a slut'. I laughed and retorted 'just because you have to ID your missus with a retinal scanner'. He didn't laugh and was genuinely offended I'd joked in such a way. He'd just called my wife a slut, but he's the one offended. |
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