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PostPosted: 19:43 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
He ^ just spouted a load of religious text, which i'm not about to read. Was there a point worth noting in there somewhere? Smile
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Basically it is mpd's post, but with actual words used rather than reference with no substance, and about Christianity.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
To be fair that stuff is a bit further into the book (and it's Old Testament anyway so more relevant to Jews than Christians.)

In the Qur'an it's right there at the start.

A question of emphasis.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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To be fair that stuff is a bit further into the book (and it's Old Testament anyway so more relevant to Jews than Christians.)

In the Qur'an it's right there at the start.

A question of emphasis.


So what you're saying is Christianity gets more extreme as you go on? Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
HardlyDavidson wrote:
To be fair that stuff is a bit further into the book (and it's Old Testament anyway so more relevant to Jews than Christians.)

In the Qur'an it's right there at the start.

A question of emphasis.


So what you're saying is Christianity gets more extreme as you go on? Shocked


Dress it up however you want Jewlio, but Christianity in this country is not extreme. There are gays and women in high places in the church. The worshippers are not liable to go standing outside schools shouting anti LGBT stuff at teachers for implementing the national curriculum because of their religious beliefs.

Christianity in this country has entered the 21st century, even if it was dragged there kicking and screaming. If the bible says kill all homosexuals (and I have no idea whether it does or doesn't) no one will act on it. I'm not convinced that is the case with Islam in this country.

Religious extremism is pretty well tied to the Koran and it's followers in Britain.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Only recently has the church (openly) allowed gays and women to to climb the ladder in the church. In fact, isn't there still a ban on women holding certain jobs in the clergy, or has that been overturned now?

There are still fundy's out there causing issues from all religious cults. Just Islam gets the brunt of it because reasons.

A favourite line of mine to trot out about how civilised we as a country apparently are, is that until 1991 a wife was classed as a husband's chattel to do with as he pleased. Rape within marriage was not recognised before that.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Only recently has the church (openly) allowed gays and women to to climb the ladder in the church. In fact, isn't there still a ban on women holding certain jobs in the clergy, or has that been overturned now?

There are still fundy's out there causing issues from all religious cults. Just Islam gets the brunt of it because reasons.

A favourite line of mine to trot out about how civilised we as a country apparently are, is that until 1991 a wife was classed as a husband's chattel to do with as he pleased. Rape within marriage was not recognised before that.


Even so, now it has progressed into the modern rights for women era.

I'm sure you are aware there are Islamic videos on how to beat your wife so I'm not sure that is the best argument on women's rights in marriage.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 08 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Only recently has the church (openly) allowed gays and women to to climb the ladder in the church. In fact, isn't there still a ban on women holding certain jobs in the clergy, or has that been overturned now?

There are still fundy's out there causing issues from all religious cults. Just Islam gets the brunt of it because reasons.

A favourite line of mine to trot out about how civilised we as a country apparently are, is that until 1991 a wife was classed as a husband's chattel to do with as he pleased. Rape within marriage was not recognised before that.


Even so, now it has progressed into the modern rights for women era.

I'm sure you are aware there are Islamic videos on how to beat your wife so I'm not sure that is the best argument on women's rights in marriage.


What, that such a civilised country like the UK has only decided women aren't the property of their husband to do as they please in the last 30 years?
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Name a better country than the UK... I dare you Razz
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Instead of resorting to type, disprove what I write.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48569173

Oh dear, whitey mp says demonstrators are right.
Anyone want to guess which party he belongs to?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
As I've said, gays vs. Muslims causes big problems for SJW's.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48569173

Oh dear, whitey mp says demonstrators are right.
Anyone want to guess which party he belongs to?


I'm not sure why he's not allowed this opinion. Surely all true lefties should be backing the Muslim protestors at all costs?

How does lefty Top Trumps scoring work, when a dilemma like this occurs? What must be vehemently defended higher, LBGTQWIA or Muslim opinion?


So, the Leaders of the socialist movement in this country state that the protests are wrong and yet they still cannot win in your eyes?

You must be jumping over the fence so often on this issue that you basically levitate.
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https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2019-06-09/play-cancelled-after-actors-pelted-with-stones-in-homophobic-attack-in-southampton/

Couple of lesbian thespians get stoned by youths in a passing car. No description of the assailants.....

Now I could be wrong, but that area is the only place I've seen the full postbox garb in use, and I can't imagine the local chav's stocking up on rocks...
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48569173

Oh dear, whitey mp says demonstrators are right.
Anyone want to guess which party he belongs to?



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/labour-mp-criticised-for-siding-with-birmingham-school-protesters

A Labour MP will be rebuked by the party’s chief whip for telling campaigners they are right to protest against LGBT teaching at a Birmingham primary school
The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said she had reported the “discriminatory and irresponsible” comments to the chief whip, Nick Brown, as Godsiff was criticised by a number of Labour MPs.

A Labour spokesman said the party had long supported and campaigned for LGBT-inclusive education in schools and there was “no justifiable reason” to stop teaching about such topics.

“Roger Godsiff will be spoken to by the chief whip and reminded of his responsibilities as an MP,” he said.


SJW getting tied in knots lol
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 09 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
How many of the Tory party secretly hold the same views?
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He actually said that 4 year olds were a bit young for same sex relationship lessons and that maybe 6 or 7 was more appropriate. Not an unreasonable position.
Naively he sided himself with the Islamists who are protesting on a rather different basis.
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He actually said that 4 year olds were a bit young for same sex relationship lessons and that maybe 6 or 7 was more appropriate. Not an unreasonable position.
Naively he sided himself with the Islamists who are protesting on a rather different basis.


The whole problem with this country in a nutshell.

If you complain against what is the 'thing' of the moment you are an *ist or a *phobe.

I think the pre secondary school sex education is too young but if I was to say that I'd be a homophobe or lumped in with the howling religious bigots.

I suspect quite a few of every party think the same but have learnt to keep their mouths shut as they cannot win.

A bit like when Labour were pushing multiculturalism and if you said anything derogatory about it you were a racist.
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Polarbear wrote:
The whole problem with this country in a nutshell.

If you complain against what is the 'thing' of the moment you are an *ist or a *phobe.

I think the pre secondary school sex education is too young but if I was to say that I'd be a homophobe or lumped in with the howling religious bigots.


Would you go so far as to agree with this fellow?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-48555929

tl:dr - local vicar (in one of the nicer areas of Rotherham) claims that teaching kids about LGBT+ is essentially child abuse as it "normalises" homosexuality and leaves the kids open to abuse.

Now, I agree that there should be an age on what kids learn, but I think that this is child abuse is bobbins. You could argue that forcing kids to learn about religion is the same, no?
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I suspect quite a few of every party think the same but have learnt to keep their mouths shut as they cannot win.


They can't win if they all keep their mouths shut about it.

My personal view is that sex education ought to be about the basics of reproduction up until the age of, say, 11 years. Let kids be kids ffs. Teach kids about the other stuff in secondary schools if they must.

If kids get curious about sex at younger ages, let the parents take care of it.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 10 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
CBFcarl wrote:
tl:dr - local vicar (in one of the nicer areas of Rotherham) claims that teaching kids about LGBT+ is essentially child abuse as it "normalises" homosexuality and leaves the kids open to abuse.


Hmmmmm.

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The culture war is hotting up. Christian parents need to wake up to the danger posed by cultural Marxists directly targeting their children with LGBTI ideology. Christians should love those who self-identify as LGBTI along with all our neighbours, but this cannot mean that we are obliged to celebrate LGBTI ideology and lifestyles and promote them to our children. I am grateful to David Robertson and his opinion piece on this issue recently published on his blog theweeflea.com.

Imagine the scene: a child is told by their teacher, 'There are 73 different genders!' When they replied that there were only two genders, they were mocked by their classmates. This incident should not surprise us: at the insistence of Ofsted, pupils all over the U K are being indoctrinated in culturally Marxist LGBTI ideology. The government makes no secret that its aim is to use the education system to promote LGBTI lifestyles and identities.

The UK government’s proposed Relationships and Sexual Education (RSE) programme is nothing but state sponsored child abuse, it teaches that gender is a mere social construct; those who wish to change gender can do so by simply self-identifying as whatever gender they choose. A tearful seven-year girl asked her parents, ‘Mummy, am 1 a boy or a girl? My teacher says I can choose.’ The Tavistock Clinic for gender reassignment is being overwhelmed with the increase in children presenting with symptoms of gender distressed fluidity: from 40 in 2009/10 to 1806 in 2017/18.

The RSE programme is also a form of child grooming. “Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse." (NSPCC). The Government may not intend this to happen, but it is the effective result. This sexual indoctrination of young children prepares them for early sexual experimentation, normalises it and, in so doing, opens the door for sexual predators.

Grooming can also be facilitated when there is a removal of parental authority and control. Be advised that RSE will be compulsory: parents will not be permitted to withdraw their children; as of September 2020, Relationships Education will become mandatory in all primary schools in England (both state and independent), and Relationships and Sex Education will become mandatory in all secondary schools. As far as moral education is concerned, children will belong to the state.

How have parents responded to the appropriation of their children by the state? When a Birmingham school introduced ‘No Outsiders’, a sex education/relationship programme laden with LGBTI ideology, it was so strongly opposed by the parents that it was withdrawn, if only temporarily. The UK media were desperate to portray the reasonable, mainly Muslim parents, as homophobic bigots. Meanwhile Christian parents, duped by the seductive language, meekly acquiesce to this new programme of state indoctrination. We all want to live in a world of ‘love’ where there are no outsiders, where bullying is opposed, and everyone is treated with dignity. But does that necessitate imposing LGBTI ideology on our children? Bullying would be better deterred by teaching the biblical truth that every person is made in the image of God and therefore has the right to be treated with dignity. Wake up! Via the Trojan horse of teaching tolerance and opposing bullying, the extent of which they greatly exaggerate, the LGBTI activists are imposing a sexual philosophy which at its heart is both anti-Christian and harmful.

Christian parents need to follow the example of our Muslim neighbours and insist on their basic human right to have their children educated according to their own beliefs. Article 26 (3) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: ‘Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children'. Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance " European law states the same principle: "In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and to teaching, the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching is in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions" (First Protocol, Article 2)

For the sake of not only our own children but for the love of others, Christians must resist the tide of cultural Marxism. We need to support those who work in education, whether Christians or not, as they stand against the intimidation and bullying. It’s not only a matter of human rights - it also concerns our God given responsibilities.
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