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PostPosted: 10:19 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because he probably had never done anything like that before and therefore seemed a nice bloke?

Apart from all his previous offensives. What I meant was if you knew someone who committed a crime like that, why would you go on TV saying they were a decent person? Unless you're someone desperate to be on the telly, like they had someone who knew the copper that died, who hadn't seen him in nearly a decade Rolling Eyes


And they were all the same type of offence and common knowledge to anyone outside the force were they? Do you know the background of every single one of your neighbours?
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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once again, because other problems exist we shouldn't be making comment on the problems of Islamic ideology.

By this rational we shouldn't have a problem with drink driving because some people are killed by faulty brakes anyway.


Not at all. I'm just pointing out that people don't have a bubble with their criminal history above their head for all to see. A guy who lives across from my father in law did time for either killing someone or seriously injuring them, can't remember which. If you moved into the area after it happened you wouldn't have a clue. And guess what, looking at him or speaking to him, you would never know it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4347858/Scaffolder-nose-sliced-half-Khalid-Masood.html

Ah. "Because racism". My bad. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not at all. I'm just pointing out that people don't have a bubble with their criminal history above their head for all to see. A guy who lives across from my father in law did time for either killing someone or seriously injuring them, can't remember which. If you moved into the area after it happened you wouldn't have a clue. And guess what, looking at him or speaking to him, you would never know it. Rolling Eyes


my point is that all of your examples seem to involve white pedophiles, it smacks of agenda pushing. it's where this thread came from (you arguing with MPD that muslim pedos are ntdwi) and you never miss the oportunity to shoehorn it into any given example.

Why didn't you lead with the part I just quoted?, far more relevant to the situation at hand.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah. "Because racism". My bad. Embarassed

The goto reason for any non white in the dock these days.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeywrencher wrote:
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Not at all. I'm just pointing out that people don't have a bubble with their criminal history above their head for all to see. A guy who lives across from my father in law did time for either killing someone or seriously injuring them, can't remember which. If you moved into the area after it happened you wouldn't have a clue. And guess what, looking at him or speaking to him, you would never know it. Rolling Eyes


my point is that all of your examples seem to involve white pedophiles, it smacks of agenda pushing. it's where this thread came from (you arguing with MPD that muslim pedos are ntdwi) and you never miss the oportunity to shoehorn it into any given example.

Why didn't you lead with the part I just quoted?, far more relevant to the situation at hand.


I could put up articles for paedos, rapists, murderers, wife beaters etc. Who were probably all thought to be 'good people' by their neighbours. It was the first story I saw from the echo while reading something else.

Paedos are nothing to do with any religion. They're paedophiles regardless of religion, no matter their colour or 'religion'. I notice here that the agenda from some is anti-islam, and only the negative stories ever make it here.

And before we start with 'but their fairy book says', if you look into the fairy book of most ' religion ' you would probably find just as much to whinge about.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently scouring the internet for scholarships of low standard.

Found this beauty

I shall let the frothing begin.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommy Robinson the next Nigel Farage alt-leader figure?

https://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/1433866889969688/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Today I learned Al Qaeda magazine was downloaded by 50'000 British people last year.

Turns out it is illegal, but a year or so in prison isn't exactly long enough to dispel any 'inspiration' they may have gained from it already.

A quick google brings up tons of sources for this magazine. It's so easily available, it makes you wonder if somebody up there in the internet censorship tower (where pirate file sharing websites and various forms of porn are already censored) has no intention of blocking this ISIS propaganda. Tin foil hat time Thinking ?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robinson is too tarred with the Nazi brush to be a credible political figure. Less so every day, mind. And every attempt to handwave the problem away as lone wolf / mental issues / #NotAll / #ntdwi just drives more people to his spot on the political spectrum.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because he probably had never done anything like that before and therefore seemed a nice bloke?


Apart from his long criminal record of violent crimes, slashing a mans face and stabbing another, 2 prison sentences and being on the security service radar of course.... Rolling Eyes

And all his neighbours would have known that, would they? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Robinson is too tarred with the Nazi brush to be a credible political figure. Less so every day, mind. And every attempt to handwave the problem away as lone wolf / mental issues / #NotAll / #ntdwi just drives more people to his spot on the political spectrum.


He's a tough one to figure out.

If you watch him at the Oxford Student's Union, he is actually a really eloquent speaker and clearly very aware of how to handle himself (even if he locks horns over pointless things, like refusing to say EDL beating up civilians at random is bad, because bombs are worse... innit).

But then you watch him deliberately antagonising anti-fascist groups at rallies and going on about his free-speech aggressively at coppers, and it is a bit hard to see him as anything but Billy Britain.

Farage though.... Farage is incredibly impressive.

I have no idea where this is going to go, but decades of moving the Overton window left cannot be undone quickly. I am not sure if that makes me happy or sad, but there needs to be a strong pushback and a lot of human rights trampling to get things done.

A simple, and quick question... Where would we deport them to?

Saudi Arabia seems a good solution... can't see them agreeing though.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
But then you watch him deliberately antagonising anti-fascist groups at rallies

You mean fascist groups.

Asking them what they think of sharia law when they're promoting islam seems like a fair question.

"Nazi! Racist!" is not a particularly compelling argument.

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and going on about his free-speech aggressively at coppers

Coppers who are detaining or in some cases even arresting him because he's being threatened?

He's physically very brave to be doing that. But I agree, he does shine when actually engaged in a debate. I love when apologists very (very) selectively quote love-and-hugs quran passages at him, and he bangs out the inevitable "or else slaughter them all" line that comes next, or try to catch him out by quoting the old testament.

Need to troll harder that than, chaps.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
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Apart from all his previous offensives. What I meant was if you knew someone who committed a crime like that, why would you go on TV saying they were a decent person? Unless you're someone desperate to be on the telly, like they had someone who knew the copper that died, who hadn't seen him in nearly a decade Rolling Eyes


And they were all the same type of offence and common knowledge to anyone outside the force were they? Do you know the background of every single one of your neighbours?

Then why would you go on TV speaking highly of someone you didn't know properly? It's like when people say this sort of thing doesn't happen round here, well it obviously does.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
A simple, and quick question... Where would we deport them to?

Saudi Arabia seems a good solution... can't see them agreeing though.


Madagascar? Wink Just don't get involved in a war, have it go badly then have them all die off in badly run containment and work camps when your country's infrastructure and supplies go completely up the shitter. That really doesn't end up well for anyone other than making some really good Oscar winning tear jerkers.

Saudi Arabia? The Saudis will never take in Snackbars, their job is to export them and the ideology. Having too many inside the country might jeopardise the family's ability to maintain control when all the snackbars start to turn on each other for not being snackbar enough, which happened in Algeria a couple of decades back. There is no way the House of Saud will ever allow that. As one Saudi democracy advocate commented on the USA some years back, "How would you like it if your country was called Bush America?"

Tommy Robinson? Working class, ex-soccer hooligan is my take on him. A minor dalliance with the BNP some 12 or so years ago. The irony of him being tarred with the Nazi brush is he tried to stop the racist (real not SJW-liberal speak) far right elements from infiltrating the EDL before he was sent down. According to him, MI5 tried to recruit him in prison to infiltrate far right groups (and I would presume lead on some level, so they can pull the strings where required). He says he refused, and they moved him to cell block with lots of Somali snackbar neighbours to provide some encouragement. Respect to the bloke, but I can't see the majority of the hand-wringing middle class public warming to him at all, although I can see him having lots of support within the working class, outside of the real retarded knuckle dragger element.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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And they were all the same type of offence and common knowledge to anyone outside the force were they? Do you know the background of every single one of your neighbours?

Then why would you go on TV speaking highly of someone you didn't know properly? It's like when people say this sort of thing doesn't happen round here, well it obviously does.


We knew our previous neighbours quite well until they moved. That doesn't mean I know what colour underpants he wore or how his Mrs preferred to take cock. Some things aren't the type of thing you discuss over the garden fence. Rolling Eyes

I can't wait until bnp72 is sent down for poisoning all the cats in the neighbourhood, and all the people say ' but we thought he was just a keen allotmenteer' Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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And all his neighbours would have known that, would they? Rolling Eyes


The ones who claimed he was a lovely bloke to the TV crew, would have probably heard about his past by then.

He's been in the news a bit lately.


Yeah, only AFTER it happened though. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
Where would we deport them to?

Somewhere that doesn't mind ending a sentence with a preposition?

We can't deport "them", because "them" are us now. That ship sailed (or PIA 'plane flew) long ago.

Omega Solution: cut "them" (even where them are us) off from the welfare teat by declaring an ever increasing number of "them" as enemies of the State.

Voluntarily, "they" will latch on to another milch cow soon enough.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
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Then why would you go on TV speaking highly of someone you didn't know properly? It's like when people say this sort of thing doesn't happen round here, well it obviously does.


We knew our previous neighbours quite well until they moved. That doesn't mean I know what colour underpants he wore or how his Mrs preferred to take cock. Some things aren't the type of thing you discuss over the garden fence. Rolling Eyes

I can't wait until bnp72 is sent down for poisoning all the cats in the neighbourhood, and all the people say ' but we thought he was just a keen allotmenteer' Laughing

So if they went on a rampage you'd be on TV saying they were lovely people? Also I know one of my neighbours has been convicted for dealing firearms, and a guy across the street convicted for possession of a gun. I know what my work colleagues have been convicted of and where they went to prison. Unless you're a paedo it wouldn't be a closely guarded secret.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Omega Solution: cut "them" (even where them are us) off from the welfare teat by declaring an ever increasing number of "them" as enemies of the State.


Eh? Won't that just generate a gigantic bureaucratic nightmare?

Checking insurance cards before an ambulance will take you? Or just transferring them out once stable? Lots of sick people without any way to get treatment isn't helpful, they can't work and you end up spending more on policing them as they get increasingly desperate.

The current system clearly isn't working as intended, but "push them into poverty" and "lock them up forever" are just the opposite sides of the stupid ideas coin from "monies for having children" and "no jail, they are just misunderstood"

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So if they went on a rampage you'd be on TV saying they were lovely people? Also I know one of my neighbours has been convicted for dealing firearms, and a guy across the street convicted for possession of a gun. I know what my work colleagues have been convicted of and where they went to prison. Unless you're a paedo it wouldn't be a closely guarded secret.


Yes and no. I know one of my neighbours is a bit of a "ruff lad" (since I was working on my bike one night when the police came to collect him Razz). I don't think I have ever mentioned my conviction to my workmates, or friends. Clashes with the law tend not to come up in conversation and even if they do I generally wouldn't mention it. People can be weird about it.....
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 25 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Falco wrote:
[Emergency medical treatment, therefore your plan won't work]

https://i.imgur.com/cppMzl4.jpg?1

Sure, take everyone in, patch them up. Then check their entitlement, and throw them out with a huge bill to pay. Same as in USia. Which is an actual place, where this actually happens, in actual fact.
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