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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly the right to not be inprisoned has exemptions for entering countries illegally and deportaion.

It's just this country is too cheap to imprison people prior to asylum being awarded.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration just comes down to "why should I care about these people?" and if that a little too cold for you "why should I care about these people more than my own family?"
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure there are some people who feel an afinity with every human on the planet. I'm just not one of them.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Interestingly the right to not be inprisoned has exemptions for entering countries illegally and deportaion.

It's just this country is too cheap to imprison people prior to asylum being awarded.


What we're actually doing with them doesn't exactly sound cheap to me.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Immigration just comes down to "why should I care about these people?" and if that a little too cold for you "why should I care about these people more than my own family?"


It comes down to, would you leave your front door open and let just anyone walk in, as I pointed out to Howling Terror before.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that there's nothing within the human rights act to detain illegal immigrants. Its simply that the home office wont pay for that detention until either deportation or leave.to remain is given.

Like I say Priti vacant.

Personally I feel.that legitimate asylum seekers shģould be sheltered and workers that can contribute to the economy should be welcomed.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Personally I feel.that legitimate asylum seekers shģould be sheltered and workers that can contribute to the economy should be welcomed.


My guess is most of us think like that, but it ain't what's happening. But you've also the rule that they're supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to, and that ain't happening either, although that could be a bit unfair on some countries on the receiving end of a flood of them. It all needs a serious rethink. No point in having rules and laws if you can't enforce them. And whilst I agree that Priti Patel seems hopelessly out of her depth, I have no faith that Labour would do any better. They seem to think we should let in all and sundry.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually socialists can be just as anti immigration as right wing groups, simply because people.fro. outside of their communities Rob them of resources.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
But you've also the rule that they're supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to,

I used to believe that but apparently the rule doesn’t exist.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Literally #ntdwi but funny anyway:

'I AM a woman. This is bullying': Iranian women's goalkeeper denies claim she is a man and says she will sue the Jordanian FA after they demanded a 'gender verification check'

AFAIK you have to stop the game if there are extra balls on the pitch Smile
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Personally I feel.that legitimate asylum seekers shģould be sheltered and workers that can contribute to the economy should be welcomed.


My guess is most of us think like that, but it ain't what's happening. But you've also the rule that they're supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to, and that ain't happening either, although that could be a bit unfair on some countries on the receiving end of a flood of them. It all needs a serious rethink. No point in having rules and laws if you can't enforce them. And whilst I agree that Priti Patel seems hopelessly out of her depth, I have no faith that Labour would do any better. They seem to think we should let in all and sundry.


I don't think the 'first safe country' rule exists. Unless you can sauce?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe thatn. some countries have the first safe country thing in their asylum rules and its supposed to be a general principle within the eu but there's nothing within the echr that mentions it either for or against.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:


I don't think the 'first safe country' rule exists. Unless you can sauce?


No, just what gets bandied around. Can you clear it up definitively?

Still think the whole thing needs a serious looking at though, clearly whatever is in place isn't working.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 17 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Political asylum” used to mean specific individuals known to have aggravated an oppressive regime and bringing value to the host nation. Now it applies to the masses who merely claim to be members of an out of favour tribe in historically tribal states. It’s impossible to know the motivations or allegiances of African and Middle Eastern illegal immigrants, not helped by allied military intelligence and precision weapons bombing the wrong wedding parties. Once they’ve invaded these shores and (in stark contrast to France) encountered UK welfare the legal aid lawyers can maintain them here for a decade until the weakest decide they’ve been hard done by and deserve violent retribution, aided by the sleeper agents who came with them. And we’re surprised?
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PostPosted: 03:21 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BBC: Eerrr car accident? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:


My guess is most of us think like that, but it ain't what's happening. But you've also the rule that they're supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to, and that ain't happening either, although that could be a bit unfair on some countries on the receiving end of a flood of them. It all needs a serious rethink. No point in having rules and laws if you can't enforce them. And whilst I agree that Priti Patel seems hopelessly out of her depth, I have no faith that Labour would do any better. They seem to think we should let in all and sundry.


I don't think the 'first safe country' rule exists. Unless you can sauce?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

Dunno if it's still extant in the UK?

What we have is people arriving in the UK who are fleeing persecution in France? I mean, I can understand that because the people of France can be downright objectionable sometimes...
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
New delivery has arrived at the christmas market.

NTDWI as always Laughing


BBC: Eerrr car accident? Laughing


Terrorist attack on a troupe of dancing grannies. I've heard it all now. Don't be so demented - clearly just a case of an American not being used to driving an automatic vehicle and mashing the wrong pedal.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
New delivery has arrived at the christmas market.

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BBC: Eerrr car accident? Laughing


Terrorist attack on a troupe of dancing grannies. I've heard it all now. Don't be so demented - clearly just a case of an American not being used to driving an automatic vehicle and mashing the wrong pedal.


The Twitter fake news brigade were so desperate for the guy to not be brown that they photoshopped a white youtubers SUV red and said the photo was of the attacker. The attacker is black or arab, we knew this just after the incident, even though the usual suspects (BBC etc) and keeping quiet about it. Personally I think its due to the Rittenhouse not guilty verdict in the same state the day before.

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand...

"One person is in custody. The incident does not appear "at this time" to be an act of terrorism, one official said.

The suspect appeared to have been fleeing another scene when he ran into people at the parade, the law enforcement official - who is familiar with the early findings of the investigation - told the BBC's US partner CBS News."
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
On the other hand...

"One person is in custody. The incident does not appear "at this time" to be an act of terrorism, one official said.

The suspect appeared to have been fleeing another scene when he ran into people at the parade, the law enforcement official - who is familiar with the early findings of the investigation - told the BBC's US partner CBS News."

Makes sense, you wouldn't want attract attention in case police tried to stop you.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Islander wrote:
On the other hand...

"One person is in custody. The incident does not appear "at this time" to be an act of terrorism, one official said.

The suspect appeared to have been fleeing another scene when he ran into people at the parade, the law enforcement official - who is familiar with the early findings of the investigation - told the BBC's US partner CBS News."

Makes sense, you wouldn't want attract attention in case police tried to stop you.


What makes you think that the police weren't already pursuing him?

There's a complete lack of facts for this incident but don't let that get in the way of confirmation bias. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What makes you think that the police weren't already pursuing him?

There's a complete lack of facts for this incident but don't let that get in the way of confirmation bias. Thumbs Up

So if you are trying to get away from police is it a good plan to find crowds to drive into at speed - or would you turn off before the congested area.
It's a deliberate attack and one group favours this approach.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The yank media and the police there aren't really that slow at declaring something terrorism if it is.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
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What makes you think that the police weren't already pursuing him?

There's a complete lack of facts for this incident but don't let that get in the way of confirmation bias. Thumbs Up

So if you are trying to get away from police is it a good plan to find crowds to drive into at speed - or would you turn off before the congested area.
It's a deliberate attack and one group favours this approach.


Well you certainly aren't letting a lack of facts get in the way of wild assumptions and confirmation bias are you?

Here's an AP article:

https://apnews.com/article/crime-milwaukee-388eec09cc3543874d30352e197168ca

Darrell Brooks. Now there's a real Islamic name.

AP doesn't tickle your fancy? How about Reuters then?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/five-dead-dozens-injured-after-suv-plows-into-wisconsin-christmas-parade-2021-11-22/

a) What Nobby said
b) Try waiting until facts are known rather than letting prejudice and confirmation bias make your mind up for you.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 22 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me that he is motivated more by anti-white racism than Islam.
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