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Let me just dust off my pith helmet for a moment... it used to be the case that being "British" was more than holding a piece of paper with a certain stamp on.
The chai-wallah from It Ain't Half Hot Mum, was the so-called "black face" the problem or was it really about how the character considered himself British? More so than "those damn natives" Aspiring to and embodying ideals is not something you can check off on a spread sheet.
Banging on about some Pakistani terrorist imprisoned for 86 years doesn't seem very British to me. Trekking across snowy wastes unaided on the other hand... ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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You are missing my point completely as far as the name goes. Malik Faisal Akram is not a British name and is not a resultant of British culture. At best it is a name possible in the modern British population demographic. If I saw that name in the world news with no other criteria with it I would not think he was probably British.
Funnily enough, Samantha Lewthwaite changed her name to a non British one, as did her husband Lindsay, one of the 7/7 bombers so perhaps there is more to a name, the culture moves with it. Maybe she felt too British as Samantha!
Hugenots right, think of the difference between co-existance, integration and assimilation and you can see why there are huge differences between immigration pre 19th century and post 20th century, specifically 1950's onwards.
Early immigration (and invasion) was with races and cultures that were pretty much compatible. They were the same ethnicity, religion, morals and came in small enough numbers to be assimilated and integrated into the indigenous population. Immigration post war was the opposite. Different ethnicity, culture, religion and in vast numbers that meant co-existance was the only way this was going and it's still happening now.
Still, it's all hypothetical, as David Olusoga says, by 2050 Britain will be 50% bame and then all this will go away and we will have to change the accronym to wame!! ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Posted: 17:38 - 18 Jan 2022 Post subject: |
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Quote: | Still, it's all hypothetical, as David Olusoga says, by 2050 Britain will be 50% bame |
This is inevitable as cultures mix and swap fluids. I am sure that by the time this happens, we will have more pressing things to worry about... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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I see a lot of compatibility there. I don't think the system will create many more people like that Antarctica woman, because it's based on a house of cards, cleverly cherry-picked history and propaganda, and it won't last. Ultimately, they'll gravitate upward, and won't want to do this any more. They'll also completely disappear as an ethnic group - they're doomed or saved, depending on how you look at it.
However, the Muslims keep those names and their cultural identity precisely because they don't want to necessarily mix-and-match with white people. But that doesn't make them incompatible. In the best case scenario you'll get the occasional terror incident, because there will always be some nutcase. But the majority will plug away with a reduced standard of living and prevent the ageing population trap, and the middle-income trap, which afflicts many countries around the world, including in Europe and Japan. You don't want the young people, i.e. the working people and economic activity creators (I'm not going to say "working class" because I mean everyone, including the tramps and the crims) to be completely faithless. They've got a religious belief that it's their duty to create more Muslims. Regardless of how small the matchbox flats get, regardless of energy prices, regardless of inflation of GBP, etc. This is a net benefit to Britain. There is that frisson keeping a sort of balance, there, and people's activity creating energy. Also, I'm pretty happy with house prices going up, personally. I'm also happy with commercial property occupancy rates. If you pack people together in residential zones, it's much easier to organise a society and work towards progress. They're happy to be British under the new system of what it means to be British. This works for everyone. Culturally, the cost will probably be that the pubs will go. Otherwise, we sort of have to make do with the fact that this country will never be Dubai or Singapore, so if there's someone borrowing money and someone else spending money, that's the best we can expect. |
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Nobby's right insofar as a surname would have had to have been recorded in British Empire censuses, even though the first name last name thing probably wasn't a thing in Africa or India. Not all that different from the Domesday Book or subsequent censuses here, really. If someone's surname is Cooper they probably aren't a cooper, in today's world. If someone's surname is Otley they might not even live in Yorkshire. If someone's name is Abraham then that does tell you something. Some names are meaningful or suggestive, and others aren't. Someone might have a double-barreled surname, and another might have a surname which is more commonly a first name. Still don't see how there's anything different about the subtleties and intricacies of names from other parts of the world. They shift.
Now, in the case of the surname Mohammad vs the surname Abraham, one of them clearly belongs to a Jew and the other to a Muslim. How they came to have those names doesn't really matter. They are both common British surnames. I think Mohammad or variations of it is currently the UK's most popular first name. Surnames like Carfax were commonplace in the old days, as were first names like Beatrix or Judith, but you don't get them much these days. Still see nothing special in a name. You might get some useful information from a name, but it doesn't work as a scale of Britishness. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 70 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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