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M.C wrote: | Finding Andy Burnham disgusting actually, he's already talking about unity and arranging a vigil. |
If I were a snackbarista, I know exactly what and whom I'd be targeting as a followup. As a bonus, you could be sure that you wouldn't be hitting any of the umma.
Can you have a vigil for a vigil?
ScaredyCat wrote: | It needs no context. If you can prove ^^^ beyond reasonable doubt then it's fine. |
Then it's fine. For clarity, my issue is with an assumption of innocence after conviction for snackbar, or giving the benefit of an unreasonable doubt to those who have chosen to travel to snackbar regions and then come back again.
The principle that you can simply jail the snackbar out of them is ludicrous. You don't change an ideology based on victimhood by incarcerating it. Gaols are practically snackbar recruitment centres now.
ScaredyCat wrote: | Given, prior to that Roger had already sodded off the ECJ and ECHR the slope is already pre-greased. |
Would that I had, chap, would that I had.
I'm not even saying that I disagree with the principles in the ECHR (my problems are with the loopholes), it's the interminable appeals that wind me up, and UK courts shrugging and saying "Well, we'd like to, but Strasbourg might not like it."
Actually, I missed one from the list:
Actually deport every singe person ordered for deportation by our courts rather than the 5% rate that we currently achieve according to a UK immigration judge. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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To be fair, they will be whistling up arrest[*] warrants and rounding up all of his family and acquaintances right now - none of whom will have done nothing or know nothing and him were a good boy who wouldn't have done nothing like this never - so they don't want to tip them off until all the back doors have been put in.
[*] Unlegal arrest, racialphobia, compo. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Pjay wrote: | Even if he is Muslim, he wont be |
Edited for accuracy.
I mean, not a real one. Despite following the instruction manual.
ScaredyCat wrote: | jnw010 wrote: | if they've been on holidays to a training camp for radicals I'd like to think that we could just say no thanks to their offer to culturally enrich our country. |
If you can establish this, then I have no issue with saying "Go away, you're not welcome". |
We're back to wrangling over how much doubt is reasonable. Given the consequences of getting it wrong (see current #ntdwi) I'd suggest that the burden of proof should be shifted[*] substantially.
We are pretty good at tracking the movements of UK citizens into and out of snackbar regions (Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The issue is that we don't much about it afterwards other than put them on reactive watch lists.
Perhaps you'd like a right of appeal to that as well?
[*] We don't have a constitution. We already have an offence where the burden of proof is explicitly on the defence - continuous insurance. I find that abhorrent, but if we're going to abuse that principle, I'd like it to be for anti-snackbar purposes. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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Some people think that a 'true' solution may be needed. ____________________ A good loser will always be a loser. |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Withdraw entirely from all military operations in all muslim countries. Wish the septics the very best of luck. Remove all possible excuses.
Revoke the 1972 ECA.
Withdrawn from the ECJ and ECHR.
Halt all Saudi funding of mosques.
Rename the Department for International Development as the Department for Internal Deradicalisation (they won't even have to change their mouse mats and mugs). Direct its £12 billion of funding at deporting snackbar preachers (we already know who they are), bribing dusty armpits whatever is necessary to take them
When that creates a new tranche of snackbar advocates, deport them too. Repeat as necessary. £12 billion, remember.
Revoke citizenship and shred passports on exit, both for ejected snackbars, and for those headed for a jihad holiday. Again, we already have a list. The problem is a reactive policy, an assumption of innocence, and letting the feckers back in again.
Secure our borders. Immigration only on a points system. Being muslim or from a muslim nation scores negative a trillion. No fugees. No "right to a family life" mass imports. Not our problem.
And most importantly, cut all welfare funding and access to all services including and especially legal aid for anyone with foreign or dual citizenship. The only funding should be for one way outgoing flights, and bribing despots to take their problems back.
Note the lack of cattle trucks, gas chambers or images of wailing families being thrown onto flights.
We are an island nation, we can do this. Australia can do it. The only thing stopping us is a lack of will. |
Agree with all that .
Never had you down as one who agrees that a big part of the problem is western interests 'spreading peace' in the middle ease.
I do think the UK would be a whole lot safer if our army wasn't sent to help cause havoc in a part of the world that 3 million or more of our own population have relations with. |
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Lord Percy wrote: | Never had you down as one who agrees that a big part of the problem is western interests 'spreading peace' in the middle ease. |
I absolutely do. Pretty much the only thing that I agree with Comrade Corbyn on is that our defence forces should be used as a last resort against direct military threats to the UK, not economic threats to the USian economy.
Iraq and Libya were both pretty obviously abject lessons in what happens to your regime - and your person - if you try to get off the petrodollar.
On the covert scene, funding snackbar groups was a reasonable enough tactic when they were happy enough to slaughter each other in the same region. Now that they've started coming for our children here, that's where the utility of that strategy ends.
Maybe one day we'll turn up those WMDs though.
It's not sufficient to deal with snackbar in the UK, but it's a necessary first step to remove all possible justification for it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 339 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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