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Which party gets your vote?
Labour
15%
 15%  [ 17 ]
Conservatives
32%
 32%  [ 36 ]
Liberal Democrats
13%
 13%  [ 15 ]
Brexit Party
27%
 27%  [ 31 ]
SNP
5%
 5%  [ 6 ]
Green
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
Change
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Plaid Cymru
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
DUP
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Independent
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: How would you vote in a general election tomorrow? Reply with quote

fite

BCF doesn't let me put enough choices on the poll so I've had to do away with Sinn Féin and cock'n'balls (spoiling your ballot). That's democracy for you. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I.......would.......vote.......by.........putting........a......X........in.......the........box.......next.......to.......the........party.........of........my..........choice.


Or possibly my thumbprint, as I can't read or write.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

No cock and balls so went for my second choice.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tricky one.

Couldn't vote Tory because I don't believe a word any of them say, except some of the ones Boris kicked out. Couldn't vote Labour in its present incarnation because I can't see how they can pay for the policies they've just announced. I'm wary of the LibDems so may have to be a vote for Green, which although incapable of governing at the moment are the only Party that I believe would act in the long-term national interest.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
have to be a vote for Green, which although incapable of governing at the moment are the only Party that I believe would act in the long-term national interest.


Yeah, if there was a magic money tree.

This fantasy world lunacy was only from 2015, where the hypocrites wanted to impose tariffs between the UK and EU. How times change when there's votes to be had eh?

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Top-ups [will be] given for people with children or disabilities, or to pay rent and mortgages. No-one will see a reduction in benefits, and most will see a substantial increase. Parents will be entitled to two years’ paid leave from work.
The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost somewhere between £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget.
Under Green plans, inheritance tax – “to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power by a privileged class” – will no longer just tax the dead.
Under radical reforms, it will cover gifts made while the giver is still alive – raising the prospect of levies on cars, jewellery or furniture given by parents to their children.
New resource taxes would apply to wood, metal and minerals, and steeper levies imposed on cars.
Crucially, import taxes will be levied on goods brought to Britain reflecting the “ecological impact” of making them – with tariffs reintroduced for trade between Britain and the rest of Europe, ending the free trade bloc.
All elements of the sex industry will be decriminalised, and prostitutes could no longer be discriminated against in child custody cases.
The Greens also want to see “significantly reduced” levels of imprisonment, with jail only used when there is a “substantial risk of a further grave crime” or in cases where offences are so horrific that offenders would be at risk of vigilantes. Prisoners will be given the vote.
SATS, early years tests and league tables will be abolished, and “creative” subjects given equal parity to the “academic”.
Independent schools will lose their charitable status and pay corporation tax, while church schools will be stripped of taxpayer funding. Religious instruction will be banned in school hours.
Tuition fees will be abolished – but state research funding for universities will increase to reduce a reliance on “biased” commercial research.
The “overall volume” of advertising on TV and newspapers will be controlled and cut, as part of a war on the “materialist and consumption driven culture which is not sustainable”.
The England football, rugby and cricket teams would no longer play against countries where “normal, friendly, respectful or diplomatic relations are not possible.” Football clubs would be owned by co-operatives and not traded on the stock markets.
No more new airports or runways will be built, and existing ones nationalised. All new homes and businesses must by law provide bicycle parking. Helicopter travel would be regulated “more strictly”. The sale of alcohol on planes and airports will be tightly restricted to prevent air-rage, and the air on inbound flights tested for disease.
Advertising of holiday flights will be controlled by law to halt the “promotion of a high-carbon lifestyle”. New taxes would be imposed on carriers to reduce passenger numbers.
Assisted dying will be legalised, and the law on abortion liberalised to allow nurses to carry it out. “Alternative” medicine will be promoted. Private healthcare will be more heavily taxed, with special levies on private hospitals that employ staff who were trained on the NHS.
It will be a criminal offence, with “significant fines”, to stop a woman from breastfeeding in a restaurant or shop, and formula milk will be more tightly regulated.
In order to prevent “overpopulation” burdening the earth, the state will provide free condoms and fund research for new contraceptives.
Merely being a member of al-Qaeda, the IRA and other currently proscribed terrorist groups will no longer be a criminal offence under Green plans, and instead a Green Government should seek to “address desperate motivations that lie behind many atrocities labelled ‘terrorist’,” the policy book states.
Terrorism, it adds, “is an extremely loaded term. Sometimes governments justify their own terrorist acts by labelling any groups that resist their monopoly of violence ‘terrorist’.”
Britain will leave NATO, end the special relationship with the US, and unilaterally abandon nuclear weapons. A standing army, navy and airforce is “unnecessary”. Bases will be turned into nature reserves and the arms industry “converted” to producing windturbines.
“Richer regions do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term,” the party’s policy book states.
A Green Government will “progressively reduce” border controls, including an amnesty for illegal immigrants after five years.
Access to benefits, the right to vote and tax obligations will apply to everyone living on British soil, regardless of passport. The policy book states: “We will work to create a world of global inter-responsibility in which the concept of a ‘British national’ is irrelevant and outdated.”
Political parties will be funded by the state, and the electoral system changed. The monarchy will be abolished.

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PostPosted: 16:51 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Re: How would you vote in a general election tomorrow? Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
fite

I'd vote Conservative, because the MP for this area is pro-Leave, and it would be very, very silly to vote BP in the circumstances.

If I lived in a constituency where the MP was pro-remain? I'd look for the person with the most votes at the last election who is pro-Leave, and vote for them, or vote BP, depending on numbers.

If I lived in a constituency where a Conservative remainer had been kicked out, I'd have to wait and see who replaced them, and probably end up voting for them.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservative. Because they are the only mainstream party who are likely to be in a position to ACTUALLY take the UK out of the EU.

None of the others are. Labour isn't offering that. They are offering a referrendum between staying in and Jeremy Corbyns version of coming out, which is effectively staying in but without any representation or a veto.

All the "brexit" parties will do is split the brexit vote. Worst case, they split it enough to let labour in and the concept of Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister doesn't even bear contemplating. The only thing scarier than having a liar as PM would be having Corbyn who speaks the unvarnished truth about his intentions.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think cock'n'balls should have been an option more than some of those listed. I had to give a second choice.

If anyone wants a fite come up here and I'll set a local woman onto you..
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservative. My MP ultra hard Brexit so BP probably won't even stand. Voting BP just splits the vote sadly, but I respect peoples right to do it. I voted BP at the Euros.

I can see Labour taking a real kicking in the North though.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot will depend on what happens on 31st October.

If Boris is just rehashing the EU scripted deal, TBP will tear him a new one, if a GE is held after that date.

I think a lot are hoping he has a trick up his sleeve. If not, Farage will step up and deliver.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to spoil your ballot then you're not meant to vote in this poll. Razz

Boris is going to be the shortest serving Prime Minister unless he's got a trick up his sleeve.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If you're going to spoil your ballot then you're not meant to vote in this poll. Razz

Boris is going to be the shortest serving Prime Minister unless he's got a trick up his sleeve.


Who do you think would beat Boris in a GE, to make him the shortest serving?
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least we found all the Change electorate.

BTW, Johnson’s speech to Parliament is worth a read. Notice him mention the 4th time unpolished turd of the WA again?

Just as Farage is warning people, Boris is going to push a slightly polished turd of a deal again.

https://brexitcentral.com/prime-minister-boris-johnsons-statement-on-brexit-to-the-house-of-commons/
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Who do you think would beat Boris in a GE, to make him the shortest serving?

Thinking

https://i.imgur.com/H2oxInb.jpg

The real danger is what stinkwheel says about the brexit vote being split enough to let Corbyn in to power.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 25 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many parties have policies/pledges which appeal on a local level but globalisation has blown them out of the water, a nice, organic, free trade, workers pay and rights respected t shirt £45, exploitative two pack tee's Primark £5 and there you have it, most of us are capitalists when it come to payment time. i know i am, hey 58 no kids so fuck the planet, Harley and steak for me, you have kids? please feel free to make amends for the depletion of the earths resources the even greenest children will make.
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
A lot will depend on what happens on 31st October.

If Boris is just rehashing the EU scripted deal, TBP will tear him a new one, if a GE is held after that date.

I think a lot are hoping he has a trick up his sleeve. If not, Farage will step up and deliver.


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PostPosted: 01:47 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Democratic Party. But I suspect that's not you meant. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount of people basing their voting intention on a single issue - Brexit - is stunning.

I just wish Lord Buckethead was still around.

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PostPosted: 05:47 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plaid.

a) They'll get in anyway around here

b) They're the only party who give any sort of shit about Wales...

but

c) Luckily there's zero chance of them getting enough seats to form a government as, apart from going "Oi! Don't forget about Wales!" from time to time in Westminster, the rest of their policies are total loon.(Although still not as mental as the Greens)
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PostPosted: 06:49 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
The amount of people basing their voting intention on a single issue - Brexit - is stunning.

I'd rather they did that, than just vote for a single party all of their lives because their parents did. The amount of people that do that is stunning.
Brexit has at last made people look at voting elsewhere, that can only be a good thing right?
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:

Brexit has at last made people look at voting elsewhere, that can only be a good thing right?


I don't think it's really making people look at other parties though. It's just making them see things through a new but equally insular lens.

The most overt example to me is the amount of Labour folk who said they would shift over to Lib Dem because they want a Remain government. This is absurd, Lib Dems are Tory enablers, and if given power they'd just be Tory Lite. But hey they promise to remain in the EU so let's completely abandon ALL of our left wing principles and hop over to the political right!

It's not quite so bad with Tory voters switching over to TBP, because at least both parties are still right leaning. I still find it absurd that anyone would vote for a single-issue party though. Nothing about that says 'reevaluation of personal politics' to me.

The only thing I'm wondering is what it actually means. Have these folk always been so politically juvenile, or has Brexit gripped them so much that they are only now blinded to the wider issues that political parties are supposed to be focusing on.
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
The only thing I'm wondering is what it actually means. Have these folk always been so politically juvenile, or has Brexit gripped them so much that they are only now blinded to the wider issues that political parties are supposed to be focusing on.


I'm assuming that if TBP were elected into power, they would fast track Brexit and then call for a General Election.

This however only works if they get elected into Government. It is indeed insane to vote seats for 5 years to TBP candidates.
So people vote in TBP, they get 100 seats, help Brexit through and then what? These sub standard politicians get to sit for the whole term, governing our health/education/defence?

The only real option for Brexiteers is the Tories if you want the country to actually have a chance of dealing with Brexit in the long term.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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seats for 5 years to TBP candidates....These sub standard politicians get to sit for the whole term, governing our health/education/defence?


As opposed to the super humans in the mainstream parties?
There's crap and gold across the house and across different parties.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
. It is indeed insane to vote seats for 5 years to TBP candidates.
So people vote in TBP, they get 100 seats, help Brexit through and then what? These sub standard politicians get to sit for the whole term, governing our health/education/defence?


Who knows? There are some serious politician candidates amongst their numbers who should be at least as capable of forming a cabinet as the current incumbents. The rest are pillars of industry or community, who I think will be far more in touch with the electorate than the current MP's, 2/3rds of whom are acting against the wishes of their constituents.
Forget the 52%/48% split, by constituency, Leave accounted for almost twice the areas and MP's than Leave did. It's a shame then, that 3 times more MP's back remain than Leave.

The BP have enough candidates to stand in every seat and also have a proper and sensible manifesto. The lefty biased media are denying them air time as usual though.

You have to laugh at the resident Peter Pan Kidult, who fled to China with his student debt and student socialist viewpoint, lecturing us on what the most important matter is to UK voters.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 26 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:


Who knows? There are some serious politician candidates amongst their numbers who should be at least as capable of forming a cabinet as the current incumbents. The rest are pillars of industry or community

The BP have enough candidates to stand in every seat and also have a proper and sensible manifesto.


My Google must have a severe Liberal tree-hugging fairy bias, because it won't find the Brexit Party's manifesto. Could you link it please?

Why do you think these 'pillars of industry or community' who have no experience of Government will be able to do a better job than people who do? My experience of 'pillars of industry or community' is that they are out for themselves like any other successful person.

I'm not saying that our current lot are perfect by any stretch, but if your argument is that your 'serious political candidates' are capable of forming a Cabinet, then by inference are the rest of them less capable of forming a Government?

If we do get a massive influx of people with no political experience, we will have to trust the 'establishment' to guide them, i.e. experienced politicians, the Civil Service and the Judiciary. Aren't these the very people you despise?
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