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Inb4 'dat oil is dangerous for your bike tho'.  |
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| Bozzy wrote: | I'm not so sure I'd put it in my bike. It would probably be perfectly fine and cause no issue whatsoever, but still, I'd rather spend extra and buy a proper branded oil. |
And here's the kicker, some of the ''brands'' just do the packaing. So the odds are there's 1 manufacturer of engine oil, selling his product to 5, 10, 100, who knows, companies, who only pour the oil into their branded bottles.
Oil is oil and if you believe in the common market (and I know you don't), then a 10w40 semi-synth is a 10w40 semi-synth, regardles of the branding. The SAE, API, JASO stuff is also being under regulation.
On a different note, the more popular/fancy a brand is, more counterfits are being made. Castrol, Mobil1 and others are quite popular amongs the counterfitters.
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Had a look at that link and also an Opie oil page too.
Seems like a 10w40 semi synth none brand is, as RhynoCZ pointed out, the same as a branded one such as Castrol. The fully synthetic oils do tend to offer slightly more in terms of sludge control, low temperature performance and also improved oxidation resistance. No idea what all that means, but it sounds better to put a fully synth in a modern engine than a semi synth. I'm guessing a none branded fully synth is the same as a branded one?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/A-guide-to-oils-from-Opie-Oils-/10000000176936497/g.html
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| Bozzy wrote: | Had a look at that link and also an Opie oil page too.
Seems like a 10w40 semi synth none brand is, as RhynoCZ pointed out, the same as a branded one such as Castrol. The fully synthetic oils do tend to offer slightly more in terms of sludge control, low temperature performance and also improved oxidation resistance. No idea what all that means, but it sounds better to put a fully synth in a modern engine than a semi synth. I'm guessing a none branded fully synth is the same as a branded one?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/A-guide-to-oils-from-Opie-Oils-/10000000176936497/g.html |
Could be.
There's a Delfin Group logo on the back of that bottle; their US arm is behind the Spectrol brand of lubricants, a well known and (IIRC) well respected line of oils. They also specialise in producing personalised brands, so if you fancy some Bozzy oil, talk to Delfin and they will put your name on their products.
My Dad worked for a company called Phillips Petroleum, who are on the JASO list. Unless you're in the industry, it's unlikely you will have heard of them (except if you live in Inverness, where they had their only UK filling station) and yet they were a huge independent oil company and the World's largest producer of carbon black, a compound which, amongst other things, is the stuff that makes your tyres black.
Despite still being on the JASO list, Phillips are now part of Conoco, who aren't.
The problem is, commercial oils are a bit like washing machines and baked beans - thousands of brands and only a handful of producers, but getting to the bottom of who makes what is next to impossible.
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There are also companies that only recycle used or unused but old engine oil (for instance the army surplus) and they don't say that anywhere on the bottle, as the regulations only say what viscocity and properties the engine oils have to have, in order to be eligible for sale on the common market. Plus there's effectively no difference in the ''virgin'' oil and the recycled one, or at least I'm still waiting to be proven wrong.
I used to think that brand names and racing, extreme etc. were the best types of oil for my motorcycles and cars. Then a friend of mine told me about Motul 5100 (cheap motorcycle engine oil) and Venol (cheap, German, unknown to many, car engine oil, actually approved by all the German car manufacturers) and I must say, I'm happy with those two. Both oils are very affordable and do exactly what a fancy Castrol and Mobil1 would do. The Castrol oil of the same spec costs about 30% more than the Venol oil and I bet you all, you would not notice any difference.
Looking back I was young and stupid even consider a Castrol (because WSBK and WRC) oil or Mobil1 (because F1) etc.
I must admit though, that the youngest motoriazed vehicle I ever did a oil change on was a MK.IV Golf. And most of the vehicles I ever owned were made before 2000, when the manual just said any SAE 5W30 to 20W50 would do. Things might have changed since then. 
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| Shaft wrote: | | Bozzy wrote: | Had a look at that link and also an Opie oil page too.
Seems like a 10w40 semi synth none brand is, as RhynoCZ pointed out, the same as a branded one such as Castrol. The fully synthetic oils do tend to offer slightly more in terms of sludge control, low temperature performance and also improved oxidation resistance. No idea what all that means, but it sounds better to put a fully synth in a modern engine than a semi synth. I'm guessing a none branded fully synth is the same as a branded one?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/A-guide-to-oils-from-Opie-Oils-/10000000176936497/g.html |
Could be.
There's a Delfin Group logo on the back of that bottle; their US arm is behind the Spectrol brand of lubricants, a well known and (IIRC) well respected line of oils. They also specialise in producing personalised brands, so if you fancy some Bozzy oil, talk to Delfin and they will put your name on their products.
My Dad worked for a company called Phillips Petroleum, who are on the JASO list. Unless you're in the industry, it's unlikely you will have heard of them (except if you live in Inverness, where they had their only UK filling station) and yet they were a huge independent oil company and the World's largest producer of carbon black, a compound which, amongst other things, is the stuff that makes your tyres black.
Despite still being on the JASO list, Phillips are now part of Conoco, who aren't.
The problem is, commercial oils are a bit like washing machines and baked beans - thousands of brands and only a handful of producers, but getting to the bottom of who makes what is next to impossible. |
My mum used to work for Phillips Petroleum in their Woking office!
And back on topic, not sure about standard motorcycles but i'll chance this in my boxer BMW engine since it's got a separate gearbox fluid system and dry clutch. Service due in 301 miles too!
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20 mins to my nearest.. might have to give it a look. Cheers  |
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There is no proper JASO label on that bottle. JASO are very specific about how their approved oils are labeled, says it all in the docs Pigeon linked - needs the number, certain font, inside a box etc.
https://spplthumb.blob.core.windows.net/540x405/91/be/31/olej-motul-5100-15w50-4l-castrol-pozostale-bialystok-289054637.jpg
Should look like this so I would say that oil in not JASO. Personally I wouldn't put it in any of my bikes.
Be careful with the discount retailers, these are the people responsible for selling (amongst other things) fake Head & Shoulders shampoo containing Phthalates. Who knows what is in that oil.
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TBH @ £1.99 a ltr who cares.
In your average bike it will make naff all difference, at that price you could change it every month and still be £££ in over the over priced named brands.... Even better. Just use it as chain lube 
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Depends how much you love your bikes
As my wise old uncle used to say. Oil is a lot cheaper than a replacement engine. |
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