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Motorhate
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Car Stolen? Don't Call The Police! Reply with quote

Unbelievable. Talk about rubbing salt into the wounds ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38975662
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, I guess by the same logic they could go after the owner directly if they stole an uninsured, SORN'd vehicle.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another case of shafting the legitimate person. No point in going after the thief unless you wan 0.32p a week from their dole so screw the owner.

Mind you, If the stolen car had hit a pedestrian and they went after damages, the same thing would happen. The gripe here I think is more that this risk is part of the police's job and no one forced them to do it. Bit like a soldier.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personal injury lawyer, Jennifer Young, said this type of claim was a police officer's only option if they were hurt when on duty by an uninsured driver. She explained why they would not claim on the PSNI's policy.


Yeah, not true. That's what MIB is there for. As he was not the driver of the vehicle at the time I can't see the basis of their claim against the victim - but then again I'm no lawyer.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

155mph wrote:
Yeah, not true. That's what MIB is there for. As he was not the driver of the vehicle at the time I can't see the basis of their claim against the victim - but then again I'm no lawyer.


MIB is for uninsured vehicles, the vehicle was insured. 3rd Party liability. It's just like the bloke who sold his bike to some chav that didn't get insurance. when said chav crashed, guess whose insurance paid out.

https://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2014/12/dont-leave-yourself-liable/
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good example of why people are meant to cancel their insurance immediately when they sell a vehicle.
mpd72 wrote:
As for the OP story, why can't they claim through their employees liability insurance? Sound like the old boy is being shat on by the police here.

In what way has their employer been negligent?
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the police decide to make "tactical contact" with your car to stop someone who's stolen it, they can and will claim off your insurance for the damage to the police car.

So you get your car stolen. The police chase it and ram it off the road writing it off. They then call you to tell you

"Good news, we've found your car. Oh, and we wrote it off. Oh, and you have to pay for the damage to the police car we rammed it with. It's in our impound yard now. There's a £250 recovery fee and £30 a day storage. Can I help you with anything else today sir?"
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

So if the insurance covers any unnamed driver, even if he stole the car, then why does the inurance policy state that only the insured named drivers may drive the car?


3rd party liability is the "culprit".
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what are you actually meant to do in this situation? Call your insurer to stop your policy as soon as it's stolen, just in case any coppers hurt themselves doing their sodding job?
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
In what way was the bloke who was robbed of his car at knife point negligent?

He isn't but that's different to the insurance company being liable. I'm not saying I agree with it, it's a bit of an arse and insurance is a complicated mess anyway.

Am I right in thinking that if someone steals a car that's insured and the thief crashes it then it's that insurance company who's liable whilst if an uninsured car is stolen then if the thief crash it, it's the MIB would be the ones who get to sign the cheque?
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
So what are you actually meant to do in this situation? Call your insurer to stop your policy as soon as it's stolen, just in case any coppers hurt themselves doing their sodding job?


Probably not a bad shout.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
M.C wrote:
So what are you actually meant to do in this situation? Call your insurer to stop your policy as soon as it's stolen, just in case any coppers hurt themselves doing their sodding job?


Probably not a bad shout.


How do you claim if you have cancelled your insurance?
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Am I right in thinking that if someone steals a car that's insured and the thief crashes it then it's that insurance company who's liable whilst if an uninsured car is stolen then if the thief crash it, it's the MIB would be the ones who get to sign the cheque?


Yes, that sounds about right.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

155mph wrote:


How do you claim if you have cancelled your insurance?


I presume the minute you have informed the insurance it has been stolen you could cancel it but would it make any difference to your next premium as you are already claiming for the stolen car?

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PostPosted: 18:10 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

155mph wrote:
How do you claim if you have cancelled your insurance?


Simple you cancel the insurance the second after it was stolen, that way you get the payout for the theft and PC Graspalot gets nothing!
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing new ...

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/31/police-officer-sues-garage-owner_n_2987965.html
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

secretagentmole wrote:
155mph wrote:
How do you claim if you have cancelled your insurance?


Simple you cancel the insurance the second after it was stolen, that way you get the payout for the theft and PC Graspalot gets nothing!


You can't as you need to claim so can't cancel the policy
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:


So if the insurance covers any unnamed driver, even if he stole the car, then why does the inurance policy state that only the insured named drivers may drive the car?


3rd party liability means they pay for any damage caused... Of course they can then sue the unnamed driver to recover the costs.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:


You can't as you need to claim so can't cancel the policy


Is it worth claiming for anything these days? Get stung for the excess, then increased premium for theft claim, then huge claim against your policy when they thief kills somebody.

May as well not claim at all.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

155mph wrote:


How do you claim if you have cancelled your insurance?


When is it ever worth claiming against your own policy, especially when you have excess, theft, and 3rd party claim from the thief against you on your renewals for 5 years.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

"3rd party claim from the thief against you" Errrr

The thief isn't claiming anything. Pc plod got injured whilst stopping the car and he's claiming.

The guy is old enough that one claim isn't going to make much difference and he'll have the claim from pc plod to declare anyway so he might as well claim for his car. There'll also be the recovery and storage charges which could (probably) be claimed on his fully comp insurance.

And a claim for a dead person is a lot cheaper than a claim for a potato'ed person.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

General Insurance Chat?

This is covered by the tortuous language of RTA 1988 S151

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/151

tl;dr version - 3rd party covers all drivers and all victims, except for someone who knew they were in or on a nicked vehicle.

Despite this, we can still be done for driving without insurance if arry decides to dick us over on some trivial detail, even though the policy will always pay out.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 15 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, Insurance companies are scumbags. Who knew Laughing
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