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Posted: 11:04 - 16 Feb 2017 Post subject: Accident - whose fault was it ? |
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Posted: 11:19 - 16 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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I think he did see you and didnt like you "pushing in"
So just figured he would continue anyway and force you to stop and pull in behind him..
Which you didnt do because no shoulder check.
His fault completely, but you need to be aware that dickheads like that will try to kill you.
I also couldn't see your indicator on. That wouldnt have helped obviously but use your indicators!!! |
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The car should not have been coming around the outside of you to turn right, so you'll win the claim.
From a personal point of view though, if you were going to exit the roundabout at the exit by where you made contact (i.e. straight on), your positioning was wrong, you should have been around the outer part of the roundabout, not the inner. You invited the twat in the car to do what he did.
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The mp4 wouldn't play on my Windows 7 machines, so I've uploaded it as an unlisted YouTube video.
First, don't overtake on the zig-zag lines on the approach to a zebra crossing (TSRGD 2016 S37). That's probably what got you knocked off by Deputy Dope there doing a rage-overtake.
He was clearly trying to overtake on the roundabout, on your left, while turning right and assuming that you were too. I'd be confident that will go in your favour unless you say or do some silly. Like waiting 3 days to ask for advice.
How well this turns out for you will depend on what you've said to the various insurers involved and to any witnesses, including police.
First, I'd edit out the first 13 seconds of that video and only show the part directly leading up to the roundabout, after your overtake. If the car driver wants to bring that up, let him. Then (eventually) ask what relevance that had to his subsequent actions. Is he suggesting that you deserved to be knocked off?
Don't say anything to anyone now except to assert robustly that you are not at fault in any way. 10% of blame is still an "at fault" claim, you want it to go 100% your way.
If you have contact details for any friendly witnesses, contact them now, thank them for stopping at the scene and stress how important it is that they respond to the insurers.
If you have hostile witnesses, I'd suggest showing them that video (from 13 seconds onwards) to show them how it happened from your point of view, and see if they want to change their story.
Do not show that video to the other driver or to his insurer until he has finished telling all his lies and perhaps even inventing a few fictitious passengers.
Then and only then should you show that he is lying. Hold on to it for as long as you like, there's no rush to get a quick resolution if blame is contested.
Oh, and +1 to most of the above: in reality, your actions contributed to that collision. You provoked the situation without being ready to control it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 12:22 - 16 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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Aside from the insurance claim... And assuming you ride this route regularly.
In future I would recommend here as being where you should have "tucked in" to the queue for the roundabout - rather than going all the way to the front.
You only lose a second or two and it gives all traffic around you a definite clear signal that you are in that lane and there is a much smaller chance of confusion.
I hope the bike is ok! |
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Posted: 12:41 - 16 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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If it does get into "yeahbut, you shouldn't ought to have...", then:
Highway Code 187
In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to
motorcyclists
cyclists and horse riders who may stay in the left-hand lane and signal right if they intend to continue round the roundabout
Car driver was not a cyclist or horse rider, although he did rather act like one. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It does look like a classic case of man trying to prove to other man he has the biggest spuds
If you'd have hung back when the car pulls half a car length on you at the start of the roundabout approach, it'd have cost you a couple of seconds at best and you'd have been on your way. |
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Objectively most people would say you were in the wrong lane on the roundabout (inside lane, but going straight over, and not indicating), which contributed to the collision.
However, certainly he was even more in the wrong lane (outside lane, turning right, although he was at least indicating).
He should have (probably did) clearly seen you there as he approached the roundabout and been more careful, and you should have done a shoulder check, when indicating, before looking to move out of your lane.
Ultimately as already said it doesn't matter if the driver or rider was more wrong, the rider will always get more squished, so you should learn from these mistakes.
Good luck with the claim. ____________________ Bikers make great organ donors - add your name to the register
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 42 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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