Accident- whose fault was it?

[Pjay]

I would send the video to my insurance company explaining that I was turning right and he came round from the left lane and hit me.

Job done.

[pompousporcup...]

you can see he speeds up to try and get around you.

Even if you WERE going right, his move was dangerous and without due care and attention (which is what you should be shouting about imo)

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w188/Sharpe2002/1_zpszqruilw7.jpg
He speeds up.

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w188/Sharpe2002/2_zpsu2hejmlt.jpg
Not exactly given you much space has he.

Overtaking on broken hatched lines is perfectly fine.
-1 obs points for the overtake at the zig zags (we all do it) and not doing a life saver.

^^ see above about 'i was going right gov, honest. He turned into me as i was following the bmw round the roundabout' I bet your neck, ankles and wrists hurt now too.. don't they..

[Pete.]

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[davethekwak]

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[Rogerborg]

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[Marlin]

[Rogerborg]

[conker]

Overtaking on ZigZags:

You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28

I read that to mean you can overtake as long as it is not the car nearest to the crossing. Might be wrong.

**EDIT**
Beaten to it while I dilly dallied on the post page.

[Marlin]

[natefz6]

[Monkeywrenche...]

[MarJay]

Lots of people going on about what is legal and what is not legal. It's an old cliche but what is legal or illegal doesn't matter if you're in hospital or the morgue.

At the end of the day it was not a sensible thing to overtake on the approach to a busy roundabout, and certainly not a sensible thing to enter the roundabout alongside a car. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say you need to reflect on your own riding for your own sake. This is the sort of thing that people get indignant about "I was in the right!" Yes, you may have been but by taking a few extra precautionary steps, and perhaps waiting for 5 seconds you could have avoided the accident completely.

Legal or illegal does not equal safe and unsafe. The more accidents we have as motorcyclists the more excuse the government and other organisations have to crack down on motorcycling. So even if you feel like riding dangerously you're not helping the rest of us, not to mention risking your own health and wellbeing.

I don't mind a bit of 'making progress' here and there, but doing obviously dangerous but legal things on a busy road in town gains nothing.

I think that a lot of people think that because they are not technically to blame for an accident, there was nothing that could have been done, but in most cases this is not true. Of course you will get the odd completely unavoidable accident, but the prospect of that is bad enough without blundering into avoidable accidents too.
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[andyscooter]

Why why woiuld you position yourself there to go that way

This also applys to the car

Both at fault

Also overtaking on hatched isn't illegal but I cxan be construed as making your own lane in a accident
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[Freddyfruitba...]

I don't see that the OP was at fault for travelling straight on in the right-hand lane. Rule 186 of the highway code says that if you are turning right (like the car was doing), then you must be in the right-hand lane (and he wasn't); and that if you're going straight on then unless there are road markings (there weren't), then "select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout". Where road markings do exist, it's common on two-lane roundabouts for both lanes to be marked with arrows for 'straight on'.

Especially as here, the road opposite exits the roundabout at maybe 1 o'clock rather than 12 o'clock, I can't see how the OP can be said to be in the wrong lane.

In the attached still from the video, it seems to me clear that the bike is in the right lane and the car is in the left; ie, the bike has not just squeezed in to the car's right-hand lane. Fast-forward to the point of impact, and the car is clearly cutting across and is blocking the right-hand lane. If the OP had been driving a car rather than a bike, and had been turning right rather than straight on, there would still have been an impact and nobody would claim that it was anything other than the left-hand car's fault, would they?

What's particularly shitty IMHO is that clearly this wasn't a SMIDSY as the car was overtaking at the time (and just assumed the bike would get out of his way).

Root cause of the accident was of course bloody stubbornness and testosterone overload in both parties.
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[ekos]

Guys, thank you very much for all your comments and advice. I will try to learn from my mistakes. I am not an experienced motocyclist and I am sure that this unfortunate experience will help me to become more cautions on my way and more far-sighted. Once again, thank you. Cheers !

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[iooi]

A couple of points.

NO LANES LEADING UP TO OR ON ROUNDABOUT... Therefor road position means nothing.

CAR WAS INDICATING

CAR was actually in front when setting of at the roundabout. So OP should have seen the indicator.

OP overtook on zig zag lines
Failed to notice car indicating to turn right at roundabout, because he was intent on getting there 1st.
Will have been in drivers blind spot, as well as driver concentrating on his own actions, and not everyone else....

I think OP will be shooting himself in the foot if that vid gets submitted. Editing out the 1st bit may only make it look worse if the rest is asked for by the other party.....
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[pompousporcup...]

hard to tell but his eyes may have been looking right, given that we give way to the right in this country

[tactical_pancake]

As an aside if you get in this situation again and can't slot in to the left lane, an alternative is to go right around the roundabout 360 degrees, then the left lane will be forced to give way to you.

It is both satisfying and jammy and you get to show your mad u-turn skillz.

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