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PostPosted: 16:30 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Is it a good time to buy a new GSX-R750? Reply with quote

With the new GSX-R1000 just released, would it be foolish to buy a new 750 now? It's been a while since the 600/750's had a major overhaul, so surely this will follow shortly after the 1000?

Although I can find no news or rumours about an overhauled 750 it makes me wonder..

Also what are dealers, specifically Suzuki, like for negotiating on new bike prices? Are they likely to be able to offer dealer contributions or extras or some sort of incentive to buy new as opposed to used?
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't count on a new model, the boom days of the sportbikes of the 90's/00's are over, they just aren't selling in great numbers any more. The 600 class is slowly dying no more CBR600RR of Daytona 675, I doubt they will be having another go at it for a while.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand today what relevance the GSXR 750 has to bike buyers either in 2007 or 2017?

We've had the 600cc and the 1000cc years for well over a decade since the only other other Japanese 750 disappeared from sale. Now apparently we're done with the 600cc era too and depending on who you believe they are all dead or about to be withdrawn from sale.

This leaves a tiny but focused 1000cc market for sports bike sales, and what I call the outlaw class with 1300cc sportsbikes like the Ducati and KTM's etc.

Most people have gone all European now and finally funky but fugly aggressively styled naked bikes are the new thing in UK bike sales.

I think I've pretty much seen in all from the 80's to today and back round again we'll go in a circle.

The only certain thing this time is that it'll be a four stroke world forever in ICE bikes.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why buy a 750 when the new 1100 will be more powaar! and nearly as light?
Not meant to be funny , but if you can afford to buy a new 750, it wouldn't be many more pennies for the 1100.

Surely there can't be much difference between insurance?
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd buy buy 750. Just not new.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want a litre bike, I am more than happy with the 600 i've got now but I test rode a GSXR750 and liked the little bit of extra low down power so decided that was preferable over the GSXR600 I test rode.

I don't ride stupidly fast anyway, so a thou is a waste on me.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Why buy a 750 when the new 1100 will be more powaar! and nearly as light?


You haven't been able to buy a new 1100 for about 19 years.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
pepperami wrote:
Why buy a 750 when the new 1100 will be more powaar! and nearly as light?


You haven't been able to buy a new 1100 for about 19 years.


Oh! Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Is it a good time to buy a new GSX-R750? Reply with quote

baderlfc wrote:
Also what are dealers, specifically Suzuki, like for negotiating on new bike prices?

You can usually find big discounts on new/pre-reg models on eBay, but not for the R750, apart from a couple of hooky looking ones that I suspect are grey (well, red) imports.

Given the falling sales of sports bikes, it's possible that Suzuki have only imported a handfull and are prepared to sit on them indefinitely - they're notorious for fobbing off New Old Stock, sometimes 3 year old models.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
This leaves a tiny but focused 1000cc market for sports bike sales.


It's certainly diminished but it's not exactly tiny either. A quick review of howmanyleft.com suggests the following numbers of sportsbikes registered in the first three quarters of 2016:

BMW S1000RR - 541
Yamaha R1 - 490
Honda Fireblade - 450
Kawasaki ZX-10R - 418
Ducati 1299 / R -297
Ducati 899/959 - 251
Suzuki GSX-R750 - 230
Triumph Daytona 675 - 157
Honda CBR600RR - 151
Suzuki GSX-R1000 - 133
Suzuki GSX-R600 - 129
Aprilia RSV4 - 107
MV Agusta F3 - 85
Yamaha R6 - 38
MV Agusta F4 - 24
KTM RC8R - 18

Total - 3539

All 2016 models included of all variants, plus reasonable/conservative assumptions for new registrations of prior model years. It's difficult for some models as they don't differentiate model years, and in other cases, they're selling older model years. So those figures won't be 100% right, but I doubt they're far wrong.

Figures for Q4, 2016 aren't available yet. Q3 probably caught much of the 66 plate registrations, but there might be a Q4 uplift to reflect Winter and pre-EURO4 discounts.

Given that these machines probably sell for an average of £12-13k, that's a gross market value of c.£45m over the first three quarters of 2016, just in the UK. Probably in excess of £50m for the full year.

The GSX-R750 has been an irrelevant race bike platform for many years now, but it's an important and iconic bike for Suzuki, and is probably still one of the best all-round engine configurations for a road sportsbike (they're still selling). It'll be interesting to see what happens. Suzuki certainly aren't afraid to keep running the same model with minor tweaks! If they wanted to develop it, then the 750 model has shared a platform with the 1000cc bike in the past, and I don't see why they couldn't do that again, without the need for significant R&D investment.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I still don't understand today what relevance the GSXR 750 has to bike buyers either in 2007 or 2017?


I want a bike that weighs the same as a 600, but has some midrange to it and can still be ridden on roads without bumbing round in 2nd or 6th all the time because of 1000cc torque / power makes things too lazy.
The heritage behind the model appeals. The lack of rider modes etc also appeals.

Michael Rutter still did a lap of Mallory park on a £10k GSXR750 faster than an MT10, Agusta F3, 899 Panigale, 600RR, S1000R, and GSXR1000.

Yes I'd want the 750 over the 1000.......in my head. Not tried either, will do this year.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see how a 750cc sports bike is great or special or even worth bothering with if only one manufacturer still makes one, in the same way that Mazda kept on making rotary engined sports coupes when the engine design was proven not to be a great idea or have any real future.

You can't tell me that GSXR heritage keeps the sales of the 750cc strong and that demand is really strong for them. Its an irrelevant sports bike capacity for a 4cylinder engine and no one else is probably ever going to bother making another one.

It does seem that there's alot of GSXR fan boi's that suggest only a 750 is any good, and that both a 600 and a 1000 of which there's a much bigger choice of competitive examples arnt as good as a magical 750? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you ride a GSXR 750 you will understand!

its a great bike full stop!
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 28 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have bought a K4 GSXR750 but alas, they are slightly too small for me. The GSXR1000s are (were) bigger than the 600 and 750s so fit me better.

Damn shame really as the GSXR750 was epic.. Crying or Very sad
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