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Correct, I worked out the yield at 2.64%. All things equal that's £769 rental per month per property. I'm not a landlord but the deal looks crazy to me
It's premised on hpi gains I guess.
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Posted: 21:30 - 01 Mar 2017 Post subject: Re: Housing probabilities |
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Also for the BTL landlords, I'm reading stirrings that might indicate a glut of properties being dumped onto the market, what's your take?
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The dumping is already happening.
In a nutshell the following happened:
SDLP of 3% on any body who buys a 2nd property with finance outstanding on another property.
Section 24 (This is pretty much a nuclear bomb).
This did multiple things.
On April 6th 2016. Wear and tear allowance of 10% on the gross rental of residential property is no longer allowed. So rent out for £10,000 you could take off £1000 as an expense based on wear and tear on furnished properties.
On April 6th 2017 the taper kicks in.
Before this date mortgage interest was given at relief at the marginal rate of tax the person paid. Also income is considered AFTER expenses.
SCENARIO
Scenario BEFORE April 5th 2016
Rental income: £300,000 per annum
Mortgage interest: £200,000
Other legitimate expenses: £100,000 (e.g. insurance, letting, management, maintenance etc.)
Taxable income = zero.
Scenario After April 5th 2017 (taper starts in April 2017 and ends at 20% in 2020)
Rental income: £300,000 per annum
Legitimate expenses excluding interest: £100,000
Net taxable income = £200,000
Net cashflow is still zero but tax is payable on £200,000 less a tax credit of £40,000 due to the 20% relief on the £200,000 of mortgage interest.
Cash flow is zero but there is still tax payable. Of £36,100.00.
It gets worse!!!
I'll just put the rents up. Except rents are already as high as they can go. With London being 65%+ of take home pay. AND the tax just increases if they put their rents up. Interest only is being phased out. The huge amounts of interest were a business decision to reduce the taxable amounts.
I'll just sell up. Except selling up crystallises the gain on the property. This means they must pay capital gains tax on the sale. Problem is many BTL landlords took out loans on the increasing value of their properties and therefore have ALREADY SPENT THEIR CAPITAL GAINS.
Stick the landlords even with zero cash flow have to pay tax on it. Therefore this it's a lose lose situation.
I'll sell it to a ltd company. Except this is classed as a disposal and realises tax payable too. Banks are unlikely to give good lending rates as Ltd companies can easily welch by dissolving.
So
There are multiple ways out:
They could have invested the gains into EIS-qualifying investments. This takes 5 years though. It's 2017 and there are only 3 years before now and 2020.
They can sell at a loss ~ This means 2003-2004 prices.
They can go bankrupt.
They can emigrate and change domicile which costs an enormous amount of money and effort. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Posted: 22:11 - 01 Mar 2017 Post subject: Re: Housing probabilities |
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The question is, what will be the next way of propping up the housing market? |
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Posted: 13:20 - 02 Mar 2017 Post subject: Re: Housing probabilities |
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That £2.1m is for 6 houses. |
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Posted: 19:49 - 02 Mar 2017 Post subject: Re: Housing probabilities |
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That is going to be fun.... Looking at the % people are already paying for a mortgage, up the limit they can borrow and any increase in interest rates will cripple many people.
When you think back to the last crash. One reason cited was people were being lent to much money....
Now WTF are the BofE telling banks etc to do....
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 48 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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