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PostPosted: 14:44 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Workplace automation anf the future of employment. Reply with quote

What's the future for us as robotics and expert computer systems make more and more work roles obsolete?

How far off is your work role from being given over to "the machines"?
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do tech support for those machines, so I hope I'll be OK.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next big leap in tech-takeover is going to require:

Artificial intelligence - we're not remotely close to achieving that. We don't even fully understand our own intelligence.

Autonomous android robots - No chance without AI, and a leap forward in battery technology.

On the other hand self driving cars will have a catastrophic impact on anyone who drives for a living. Apparently something like 20% of Americans list their profession as 'truck driver'. Factor in perfectly driven cars lasting much longer, needing less servicing and rarely crashing and you're looking at a hell of a lot of redundant people.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread reminded me of this old video

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I do tech support for those machines, so I hope I'll be OK.


This. Still need someone to physically poke something when the iDRAC stops playing ball. Until the robots come. Then plug me into the matrix and feed me steak.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
On the other hand self driving cars will have a catastrophic impact on anyone who drives for a living. Apparently something like 20% of Americans list their profession as 'truck driver'. Factor in perfectly driven cars lasting much longer, needing less servicing and rarely crashing and you're looking at a hell of a lot of redundant people.

Does that mean no more cabbies? Dance!
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:
On the other hand self driving cars will have a catastrophic impact on anyone who drives for a living. Apparently something like 20% of Americans list their profession as 'truck driver'. Factor in perfectly driven cars lasting much longer, needing less servicing and rarely crashing and you're looking at a hell of a lot of redundant people.

Does that mean no more cabbies? Dance!


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PostPosted: 15:59 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I do tech support for those machines, so I hope I'll be OK.


And i design said Robotic machines, so i'm alright for a while i hope Wink
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everywhere I've worked, the automation seems to require less operators and more engineers. Since I'm an engineer, I should be ok.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not just jobs that require physical input that are at risk. I saw some guy on tv a while back saying how computer systems giving legal advice were out performing humans and also certain forms of psychotherapy like cognitive behavioral therapy are just ad effective when delivered by computer.

What I think is quite ironic is that in the future where it might not be economic to make a robot do the most menial of tasks the only jobs open for people will be the most servile and low skilled. To think we've all been encouraged to aspire to white collar jobs and all that will be left will be sweeping up after the robots.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a few generations and 2% will be the rich and about 70% in service industries for the rich. Thumbs Down The rest might be actually doing something productive.

When I was a kid, (yes, I was once, about woolly mammoth era) people talked of the day everyone didn't work and robots took over. Will never happen because the rich won't give enough money to the poor to fund a decent lifestyle. Look how much people hate those on the dole.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Everywhere I've worked, the automation seems to require less operators and more engineers. Since I'm an engineer, I should be ok.


Years ago in the dark dim days of the eighties I worked as a turner/miller there were about twenty of us, one guy to one machine with one guy who looked after the two CNC machines. The CNC machines were really quite crude back then so needed a lot of attention and the CNC dude was pretty much top dog technically. Now I reckon most everything us grunts did could be done faster and better by CNC and the machines while still needing to be tended by someone of a higher level of training are probably requiring less and less human input. So instead of one dude of a high level of technical training to two machines we move towards one guy with less knowledge to twenty two machines. While that guys job might be safer there will be more competition for it.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This debate probably started when the wheel was invented...
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
MarJay wrote:
I do tech support for those machines, so I hope I'll be OK.


This. Still need someone to physically poke something when the iDRAC stops playing ball. Until the robots come. Then plug me into the matrix and feed me steak.

Er... who needs a robot when you have a PDU & SNMP?
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

AI , robots , automation, pah! It really won't bother me, I'm old and bone idle and will be deaded long before all that stuff has a chance to f*ck up my life Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
Er... who needs a robot when you have a PDU & SNMP?


I do, when a colleague lets a contractor into the server room unaccompanied, who then treads on the network cable going into the back of a server that had to come out of the rack temporarily.

I need a robot to poke the colleague.

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PostPosted: 18:01 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep hearing that programmers will be made obsolete by the advent of Nth generation tools that will read the customer's mind, and the software will spring forth fully formed from their brow.

Couple of problems with that:

1) Customers tend not to know what they want, so much as being adamant that you've build the wrong thing when they see it.

2) These tools are being build by programmers who are just prone error as anyone else.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A robot could do my hob but would still need someone to tell it what to do

Also can robots read hand drawn blueprints with crap handwriting (I struggle) is that 100 mm or 160mm
Bloke who did it "I'm not sure hang on a sec"

Also can the robot bugger off to the warehouse and get the material that's not in the correct place as the manufacturers changed the profile without telling us

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robots you say...


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PostPosted: 21:02 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:41 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me know when robots can pull in 1.5km lengths of copper and fibre optic cables under ground, splice fibre optic cables and install and test residential and commercial optical fibre equipment and modems and upgrade existing superfast fibre networks etc.

When they can I'll worry about being redundant.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine works in this IT company where he makes ''computer robots'' which automate all the office work you can think off.

For instance, imagine you have an employee who works with computer data and database information of all sorts. My mate comes, creates a computer program that does all that, making the human in question obsolete. Just the other month his company was in Wales, where the IT lad made a computer program that could process the company's customer orders and do other office work. 6 humans were fired that day, as they became obsolete.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
AI , robots , automation, pah! It really won't bother me, I'm old and bone idle and will be deaded long before all that stuff has a chance to f*ck up my life Thumbs Up


Maybe not before a robot is wiping your arse in your care home though. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw hints recently about low-level crime sentencing being automated. Essentially if you're caught, you have the choice of pleading innocent and involving loads of humans who have to assess the case, or you just log on to the computer system and press 'guilty' then pay the given fine.

Reminds me of this in a way - Demolition Man - verbal morality statute.

Part of me thinks that society could already be more automated than it is, and the only block to progress is the overall human reluctance to embrace "The Big Change".

There are however some things that will never be automated. For example, a viable motorcycle helmet visor rain wiping system.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 27 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Also can robots read hand drawn blueprints with crap handwriting (I struggle) is that 100 mm or 160mm


Not very well apparently, ANPR cameras can barely read number plates:-

FAIL

FAIL again!

According to the operators they're infallible! Rolling Eyes
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