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PostPosted: 15:44 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Theft Attempt, what next Reply with quote

I'd just gone to bed last night when I heard the nudge alarm on the bike. At first I dismisssed it knowing there were weather warnings for the wind. Then I heard the nudge beep again and I realised I couldn't hear the wind. So I wander across the house, find the side door key and open the door. There's the sound of two sets of running feet and a charming gentleman wrapped in a red puffa jacket at my gate bellowing something in localese about taking my fucking head off. There's sounds of a vehicle starting and he legs it. Unfortunately I couldn't see the road from my side door, so I didn't see the vehicle.

Police called and actually showed up but that was a bit futile really.

Bike seems ok, is there anything sneaky I should check for? Locks and chains appear undisturbed.

Should I be beefing up my security, or take this as the security is good as the bike is still there?

I have a ground anchor concreted in, a chain at the rear and a disklock on the front.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would move the bike for a few weeks if possible
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check padlocks haven't been glued.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unsure what I'd do. To be fair, I think you're already doing all you can. They know that it is alarmed and you can quickly respond to the alarm, so will likely not bother coming back. I'd only be concerned for the times they might come back and you're not there.

Bigger anchor and more chains is all I can think of.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

As always, the best crims work at night when wind and storms are forecast.

Move it for a few days.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

could you put a lock on the gate ?
security light on bike ?
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rig one of those bird scarer blank shotgun cartridges up to the gate, that'll give them a fright if they come back.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Store it inside the house.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Personally I would move

Sad, true. It won't be the last time they're back.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's all kinds of horrible "accidents" that can happen to criminals trespassing on your property
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

vice wrote:
there's all kinds of horrible "accidents" that can happen to criminals trespassing on your property


I do like that.
We are only about a mile from a pie keys official site, but they seem to leave our village alone. Having said that, there have been instances of late where peoples' house front doors have been tried in the dark evenings. (Us locals do not believe it was the afore-mentioned to which I just referred) 20 plus years ago I used to keep the bikes I used for courier work out on the front drive, never had chains, disc lock or anything else for security. We are on a main road so maybe that had something to do with the lack of attention to 2 Reveres (occasionally 1 Revere and the 750 Seca)
But now I am even nervous about my innocent (while not desirable to scroats) little 250 Custom, and never leave it on the front other than in the daytime and then only for short periods between rides. If I ever get either a wider bike or an outfit, I will have to consider Fort Knox methods of an embedded ring for a chain and/or disclock etc. Sad world we live in. Our caravan is hitchlocked to a post embedded in 2 cubic feet of concrete. As it is 11 years old, it is obviously not attractive to either near or distant 'traveller' types. Even the underslung new-shod spare is still there after owning the 'van for over 3 years. So it is reasonably safe round here, I have to concede.
While I realise the implications to a householder, there would be quite a bit of pain inflicted though on anyone who tried anything on with our property.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of agree with Fazer here.

OP is not in a position to do this I think, but getting a couple of able mates round to sit in the living room eating free pizza and beers, is the way I'd go in OP's situation.

I'd also consider moving the bike to a more prominent easily spotted position, and use less or no security in the hope it temps them in for an easy win. Of course if you normally use lots of security and make it hard for them to spot or get to the bike, then there's always the chance doing the above will spook them and scare them away.

If you catch them I'd make it clear to mates that the mission is not to kill or horrifically injure them, but to scare the living shit out of them. In such a situation given the opportunity it'd be very worth it to tie up and threaten them with all sorts of nasty humiliation and actions before putting a pillow case over their heads and driving them to a secluded spot to tie them to a tree or even if you wanted to put the effort in dig a hole and cover them in earth.

The lasting mental scarring from what people go through when kidnapped and held or terrified for thier life or how it might end, is always far worse than a quick beating or being chased down the road etc. You'd probably really fuck them up for life if you did it right.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:


You'd probably really fuck them up for life if you did it right.


Now I really DO like that.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I sort of agree with Fazer here.

OP is not in a position to do this I think, but getting a couple of able mates round to sit in the living room eating free pizza and beers, is the way I'd go in OP's situation.

I'd also consider moving the bike to a more prominent easily spotted position, and use less or no security in the hope it temps them in for an easy win. Of course if you normally use lots of security and make it hard for them to spot or get to the bike, then there's always the chance doing the above will spook them and scare them away.

If you catch them I'd make it clear to mates that the mission is not to kill or horrifically injure them, but to scare the living shit out of them. In such a situation given the opportunity it'd be very worth it to tie up and threaten them with all sorts of nasty humiliation and actions before putting a pillow case over their heads and driving them to a secluded spot to tie them to a tree or even if you wanted to put the effort in dig a hole and cover them in earth.

The lasting mental scarring from what people go through when kidnapped and held or terrified for thier life or how it might end, is always far worse than a quick beating or being chased down the road etc. You'd probably really fuck them up for life if you did it right.


Isn't that the kind of thing gypo's do anyway, they might well see through the ruse.

How about "accidentally" leave a live wire attached to the frame Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Re: Theft Attempt, what next Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
Police called and actually showed up but that was a bit futile really.


There are many words we can use to describe what the police actually do in real life, as opposed to on TV. 'Futile' is apt.

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Bike seems ok, is there anything sneaky I should check for? Locks and chains appear undisturbed.


A long, long time ago, I lived in London and commuted on a small bike on a CBT. It was my first introduction to riding, and it didn't last long. Maybe a couple of months before it was stolen.

Here's what I found. I bought the best possible lock and chain I could afford. Can't remember the name at the time, but there were fewer anti-theft products at the time. It wasn't like now. Nowadays, motorbike anti-theft products is a much, much bigger industry than it was. The padlock was really good quality, big and heavy, with a really complicated-looking key and was, I imagine, practically impossible to pick within a short time.

One morning I came down to the bike and found that it was a bit harder than usual to put the key in the padlock and unlock the chain. I thought little of it, and hurried off to work. Brought it back in the evening. The day later, it was gone. I realise now what had happened. The thieves had scoped the bike, studied the security and how they would get it out on the first visit. They disturbed it in case it was alarmed (it wasn't) and tried ways of attacking the lock. I'm 99% sure they hit it with something. It would have created a noise, and if nobody came, it would have encouraged them. It might also have opened the lock (it didn't, which is why they had to return the next night).

In summary, this experience tells me your bike is no longer secure as they have scrutinised your security, and the next time they come, they'll bring the right tools. They've looked not only at your bike security, but at who would notice and/or come when they're stealing the bike.

You want to keep the bike? I hope so, because I hate these worthless bastards getting anything. Then make radical changes to your security and storage arrangements right NOW. Move it, add more locks, install motion alarms, introduce obstacles, inform neighbours that you expect they'll be back and so to start twitching curtains, etc. These thieves are huge cowards, and carry acid, etc. Keep something handy if they come, and if you come under attack and have to do something, don't hold back under any circumstances.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the default advice in this situation's to buy a Suzuki cover... might not help this time Smile
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have security lighting, that's quite new actually.

I've got a camera temporarily mounted in the garden and will be putting in an application to permanently mount an outdoor camera. It's at least stopped me freaking out every time the wind shook the bike enough to trigger the nudge warning.

I'm away for the next week or so with the bike, so that's a bonus.

I am considering upgrading my chain and lock to a big pragmasis chain and squire lock. I think I will have to upgrade my ground anchor.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck putting in an application. Do what you fucking want. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
putting in an application to permanently mount an outdoor camera.


Do you need council permission for that? I just stuck mine up.

It was recently after 5 scallywags tried to break in through the front of my garage - I was away but my wife scared them off. +1 on the "futile". Big greasy handprints all over the garage door and the SOCO numbnuts could not even be bothered to come out and collect the prints.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the council owns the building, then drilling into it requires permission. They like to make sure tennants do things right, as their own maintenance crews are some combination of incompetent and lazy.

The amount of paperwork generated by an ikea towel rail was amazing.

As stevo noted, i'm not particularly well so if I do get in a fight I need to win before it becomes a test of endurance. With multiple opponents this is rather difficult without inflicting potentially lethal injuries.

There is usually a cover on the bike, not when I'm lazy or if there is a forecast for strong winds.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fazer. wrote:
Wait for them tonight with a big fuckoff baseball bat.


OP ending up stabbed to death, sadly right in front of his house. Rolling Eyes

Mates, noise makers, traps... Going alone against a group of perpetrators, especially at night, is calling for trouble. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Fuck putting in an application. Do what you fucking want. Laughing


This. I've done loads of things inside and out where I live, nobody from the council gives a monkey's.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 23 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

See above as worst case scenario. I think I had on my side the advantages of surprise and appearing to be large and well muscled. That and the fear factor of some rather faded Tomb Raider boxers and absolutely nothing else on.

I seem to remember saying the first rule of self defence is not endangering your self over property.

Of of course the first rule of being able to sleep is to not live in a constant state of readiness.
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