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Sun Wukong
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Multi-country vehicle ownership Reply with quote

Ok, hopefully quick question.

If I buy a bike in the UK, and get it running well...

And then take it to Germany for the next couple of years...

What will the biggest pain in the arse be for the process/future?

What possible benefits would there be?

I am back in the UK for a few months this summer (BBQ Wub ) and quite tempted to pick up something cheap, get running well and take it with me to study later in the year.

What say you?
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think legally you would need to register it in Germany. And that is likely to be a nightmare of epic proportions if the bike isn't standard. Think anything non standard would need TUV approval and be recorded on the registration docs over there; probably not a major issue if you have the approval docs for anything you bought for it, but the chances of that on parts bought in the UK are pretty slim.

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PostPosted: 09:05 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

from my time in Germany.. though it was some time ago .. was that the TUV road worthy examination was far stricter than any thing seen in this country.. any non standard or approved parts will give a fail.. ... better off buyin a bike over there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

not only what katy said it would also need lights changing over and a km speedo to be registered in Germany


they are a lot stricter on testing then the uk is
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
not only what katy said it would also need lights changing over and a km speedo to be registered in Germany


they are a lot stricter on testing then the uk is


Many bikes now have a flat beam pattern and also digital dash, so kph or mph are just a flick of a switch. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

...or you change the question until you get the answer you would like....for example:

I am going to remain domiciled at a permanent address in the UK but will be spending some periods of time in Germany studying.....

What are the rules around how long each visit? how often I can take the bike? etc.

A quick visit home or even to another country during your stay can then be scheduled to keep you legal.

Don't forget the bike will still need to be UK legal - tax, MoT etc.

Don't forget to check with your insurance company as well
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, well that answers some questions for me Thumbs Up

I had originally intended to leave it British registered and just sort everything from that side.

I presumed one benefit of this would be a slight reluctance to issue petty speeding fines and general irritation.

I will be living in Berlin, and have good friends in Prague I would gladly visit ever few months if required.

Issue would then be MOT and insurance Thinking

Any hints, in the style of baggyman's post?

Any one have any experience of the German on-road bike market? Would I be better off just getting it once over there?

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PostPosted: 15:08 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I gather German used bikes are pricey

Bloke I used to know bought a few and they were really over priced
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

U will need to get it MOT'ed in uk every year.
Check with insurer for max period spend abroad before insurance becomes invalid.
Maybe easier get it registered in Germany?
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are studying in a recognised university , there are exemptions under German law from their registration requirements. Still needs uk mot/tax etc. If you have a prang you will need to convince your insurance co you've only had the bike with you less than 90 days (usually- check your own policy )

I'm sure you can squeeze in one road trip a year to dover mot garage.

German second hand bikes are more pricey but generally speaking in my experience are better looked after so you may still get a good all round deal
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
From what I gather German used bikes are pricey

Bloke I used to know bought a few and they were really over priced


I don't know about this, as there are many people in the Land of beer who actually import motorcycles (and cars) from Germany to Czech rep. Most of these bargaing purchases are private sales, of course.

They mostly pick vehicles on autoscout24.de and fleabay.de. A friend of mine does this car/motorcycle importing and the things he bought for basically nothing still amaze me. He bought a very low millage mint condition Golf MkIV for 130eur (won auction on fleabay). The car was marked as not roadworthy. He got the car here, change the windshield and some bulbs and sold the car for 90,000CZK (3,330eur) in a week. I saw the car in person and the car looked like it just rolled out of the factory. I mean, come on?! Shocked

If you buy a car/motorcycle from a German (not Eastern German, not a immigrant, especially not Turkish and Polish immigrants) then you may buy some incredible stuff for basically nothing. For many Germans used cars/motorcycles have no value for them and they are even glad when you take them of their hands.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 12 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
I will be living in Berlin, and have good friends in Prague I would gladly visit ever few months if required.

Issue would then be MOT and insurance Thinking

Any hints,


I see, well, register it in the Czech republic then. Register the motorcycle on one of your Czech mates. You may ride a vehicle that is registered and even inssured in someone elses name. Czech inssurance (the 3rd. party variant) is feck cheap, the max inssurance rate (set by the law) is about 3,000CZK/£97 p.a. for motorcycles of displacement greater than 501ccm. The inssurance is valid in the EU + other countries.

Czech MOT is not as strict as the German TÜV and it's good for 24 months.

The only downside of this would be German 5-0 pulling you over quite frequently, as they don't like foreign plates on their roads.

The fines/tickets. If you do something silly, they will contact your mate (who's name is in the paper work, he will say you was riding it and then they'll contact you to take some of your points and give you the fine).
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 13 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

I see, well, register it in the Czech republic then. Register the motorcycle on one of your Czech mates. You may ride a vehicle that is registered and even inssured in someone elses name. Czech inssurance (the 3rd. party variant) is feck cheap, the max inssurance rate (set by the law) is about 3,000CZK/£97 p.a. for motorcycles of displacement greater than 501ccm. The inssurance is valid in the EU + other countries.

Czech MOT is not as strict as the German TÜV and it's good for 24 months.

The only downside of this would be German 5-0 pulling you over quite frequently, as they don't like foreign plates on their roads.

The fines/tickets. If you do something silly, they will contact your mate (who's name is in the paper work, he will say you was riding it and then they'll contact you to take some of your points and give you the fine).


Thank you Jebus Praying

But does that mean buy in Czech though, because that place seemed expensive for bikes Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 13 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
Thank you Jebus Praying

But does that mean buy in Czech though, because that place seemed expensive for bikes Thinking


You don't have to buy the vehicle in CZE to register it here, but it does make things easier.

I'd recommend making a private purchase in CZE. It depends on what you want to ride, but most of the motorcycles are actually in way better condition and considerably cheaper, than what you can buy in the UK. Czechs don't ride their motorcycles in winter/salt and most of use have a nice garage to keep the motorcycles safe from the elements, when we don't ride them.

IF you buy a motorcycle anywhere in the EU, then the procedure of registering it in CZE is pretty simple. Let's say you want to buy one in Germany. IF the motorcycle has valid TÜV and all the paper work, then registering it here is no different from registering a already CZE registered vehicle. IF it has no TÜV, then you're gonna have to do the MOT here before you even start the registration procedure. IF it has got no valid paperwork = do not bother, you will never register it here, unless it's a historic vehicle (different rules for registrations).

*Importing cars = all the above + a tax for how crap the car is for this planet, based on the EURO 0 to III. EURO IV and above is tax free. This tax is payed only once in the life time of the vehicle.

How to register a motorcycle/car:
1) Insurance (no insurance = no step 2 nor 3. They will just tell you to feck off and get the insurance first)
2) The records control (MOT places, they check the VIN and paper work + check the motorcycle was not stolen)
3) The actual registration act

Your Czech mates will explain to you, how does the registration work. It's simple enough.

TL; DR: Buy a motorcycle here in CZE, to make your life easier. Do a private purchase, to get a good deal. Ask your Czech mates to register and insure it in their name. As said before, all legal, no trouble whatsoever. The insurance is valid in the EU + other countries.

When riding, all you're gonna need to have with you is the International motor insurance card (a green piece of paper) + registration certificate part I (small plastic card)+ your licence (ID) card. Well and the mandatory equipment = pretty much the first aid kit and any hi-vis vest.

EDIT to the INSURANCE:
1) You can get upto 50% OFF bonus (5% p.a. without a claim = 10 years without a claim = 50% off)
2) There's the ''trust program'' option (99% of insurance companies has this). Simple, instead of paying the full rate, you pay only 80% and only in case of a claim they ask you to pay them the rest 20%.
3) Special events. For extra money you may insure your vehicle for quite a lot of events. The most popular being collision with wilderness/animals (last time I checked it was 500CZK p.a. extra). Or you may insure your windshiled (cars only though) and other stuff. Interestingly though, the insurance against natural disasters comes for free at most of the insurance companies.
4) Extended insurance (damage, vandalism, theft...) may be also arranged, but not many people get that, as it's expensive (for us, Czechs)
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My mate (full bonus points + some trickery) pays 1100CZK / £35 p.a. for above 501ccm bikes. He now owns a '06 ZX10R and '98 919RR Fireblade. Both insured for 3rd. party, no extra insurance (point 3 and 4 of my list)

I don't have a motorcycle at the moment, but the ZX7R was about £46 p.a. (fewer bonus points). My car insurance (no previous car insurance, the previous bike insurance ''bonus points'' do not transfer to cars and vice versa) is £225 p.a. (2.0L engine)
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