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Diesel = Particulates that will get you eventually.
Petrol = Fumes that will get you quicker.
And to answer, about 20 seconds because no cat. Not how it left the factory mind you, and there's your problem.
Whatever they insist of fitting at manufacture can still be removed by a well meaning idiot. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Yes, that is also what makes me question the whole system. You buy a motorcycle, with CAT and exhaust tuned to match the regulation only for you to then go, take the CAT and exhaust off and put an open exhaust on it and no body cares.
Why bother with emissions of motorcycles, when the above happens all the time. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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I like the smell too
So yeah I suppose. |
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Minty wrote: | My boiler is in the garage so I have a carbon monoxide detector in there, it does not take many blips of the throttle to set it off. |
Even if I start the bike outside the garage with the exhaust pointing vaguely towards the open door, mines sets off.
I imagine in an enclosed space with the engine running it wouldnt be much past 30s - 1 minute before you wanted to pass out.
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Must be way longer than a minute. Your CO meter is too sensitive, to give you more time to react = to get the feck out of there, if something goes wrong. After all, CO is highly toxic for human beings and you can't smell it, nor see it. Well, you may see the colour of the flame, if it's orange/yellow you have a problem. This would be a result of not enough O2 present = exhaust leaks, very high ambient temperature... All the stuff that can happen without you even noticing a thing, hence the CO meter. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Makes sense...
You'll forgive me however if I just take your word for it rather than testing. |
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Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Makes sense...
You'll forgive me however if I just take your word for it rather than testing. |
Just to give you an idea of how dangerous CO is, check the Signs and symptoms of CO poisoning here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning
It makes you think, how little of the gas can kill you.
Thinking of it, when talking about exhaust gases of combustion engines, it's not the CO that kills you, well it does but first you get CO2 poisoning = fall asleap, that happens long before there's a lethal level of CO in the air. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Winter startups on the sprinter yield some nice smelling diesel smoke. Reminds me of the bus garage first thing in the morning. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Hi
I have heard that on a catalysed car (with the cat working) it is effectively impossible to kill yourself just with CO poisoning. That said in an enclosed spare you would land up running out of oxygen probably. Older cars have the cats quite a way from the engine and will take ages to warm up. Newer ones mostly have a cat in the manifold to warm up quickly.
There are times when I have been very careless with non catalysed engines running in an enclosed space. Still here.
All the best
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RhynoCZ wrote: |
It only makes sense, as there's far more CO2 exhausted than CO, you get CO2 poisoning (effectively running out of oxygen) long before the CO concentration gets to a lethal level. That is why they say it's a ''pleasant'' way of how to end your life. Reading about CO poisoning, it is not nice, nor pleasant way of going. |
It's CO2 buildup that is horrible and feels like suffocation, so how would CO2 poisoning be pleasant?
You can breathe a nitrogen from a tank and "nicely" die, because you can still exhale CO2 without inhaling any O2 to keep you alive.
Wiki says:
3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes
6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.
Looks like CO poisoning from a vehicle will be horrible as the levels slowly ramp up. OTOH breathing it straight from the tank looks like it wouldn't be too bad. |
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