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Pete.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 17 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was a 750 Laverda near our work that sat chained to a lamp post for probably 5 years. The cover got scruffy and eventually shredded itself in some high wind. A couple of days later there was a new cover on it.
A bike parked on the road for 9 months isn't abandoned - it's just parked on the road. I just don't know how anyone can decide to assume ownership of a bike just because they don't think it's fair that it's not ridden.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 17 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
So he's just made himself liable for a bike he can't ride and isn't his anyway?
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 17 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
I just don't know how anyone can decide to assume ownership of a bike just because they don't think it's fair that it's not ridden.


Because cunt. Lazy cunt.

Absolutely no different to stealing it.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 17 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rank outside outcome 100/1 he contacts legal owner of bike, who doesn't get back straight away, instead puts same number plate on a different bike and buzzes a few dozen speed cameras.
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Hate twats like this.. not seen it used in a while so its now mine, wanker Mad
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's been a few days now, any kick offs?

I suppose going off previous posts, it'd be perfectly possible for him to take this V5 to a place that prints plates and get a few 'spares' run off for future use.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
dydey90 wrote:
It's been a few days now, any kick offs?

I suppose going off previous posts, it'd be perfectly possible for him to take this V5 to a place that prints plates and get a few 'spares' run off for future use.


Getting a number-plate without a V5 is simplicity itself anyway, plenty of sellers on eBay will sell you a 'show plate' that is in the correct font/size/spacing. That's how I got new plates for my trailer/caravan, cheaper and easier than faffing with V5s in Halfords.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Care to bet how this ends? Laughing


Yes. I bet it doesn't end with you calling the Police and grassing your little friend up.

Please prove me wrong.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
maybe the bikes been left for 9 months because the original owner, is half way through an 18 month sentence for GBH or something

In which case they're probably due out about now, just a thought
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
post your friend's phone number. This deserves a phone call from an "irate owner" demanding compensation and flesh Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 22 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
it's not been moved in 9 months


It wasn't parked there 9 months ago.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Care to bet how this ends? Laughing


Yes. I bet it doesn't end with you calling the Police and grassing your little friend up.

Please prove me wrong.


For what exactly?
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
it's not been moved in 9 months


It wasn't parked there 9 months ago.


How do you know? You have a photographic memory of all the bike bays going back 9 months in East London?
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Update,

He got in touch with the owner and they are in the process of haggling over the price. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Update,

He got in touch with the owner and they are in the process of haggling over the price. Thumbs Up


How did the owner react when your mate said "I'm now the registered keeper of your bike, fancy flogging it to me so I'm not just having to tax and insure someone elses bike?"

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chris-red
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_e wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Update,

He got in touch with the owner and they are in the process of haggling over the price. Thumbs Up


How did the owner react when you're mate said "I'm now the registered keeper of your bike, fancy flogging it to me so I'm not just having to tax and insure someone elses bike?"


Well, the bloke had 'forgotten' about it apparently as I was leaving I saw him trying to start it it was obvious it wasn't going to start just slow clicks from the relay, still he tried it for a couple of minutes Laughing

He drove of in a 66 plate Merc 4x4 leaving the bike with the steering lock off and only secured by a cheapo oxford chain, in East London Rolling Eyes

It hasn't moved for at least 9 months according to my colleague as 9 months ago he picked it up from the floor, that's how he first noticed it. The mirror is still folded in from hitting the floor.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wish I had the sort of cash to just treat my bike as a disposable item I could forget about Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_e wrote:
I wish I had the sort of cash to just treat my bike as a disposable item I could forget about Laughing


The bike is worth less than a set of tyres on that Merc, which I reckon he'll never pay for as it'll be traded in for the next model Laughing

The money doesn't translate to happiness, I reckon I had as much fun if not more 10 years ago going out with £20 as I do now going out with £100. (Thats brexit for you Wink ) I doubt he would have more fun on the Hypothetical £2000 night out.

I've got a fixie I built for £30 rotting in my parents garden I've forgotten about, I'm sure someone somewhere wished they could have that. (I must put it on Ebay BTW!)
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
For what exactly?


Attempting to obtain property by deception.

Making a false declaration.

Both completely unsurprisingly are criminal offences.

chris-red wrote:
How do you know? You have a photographic memory of all the bike bays going back 9 months in East London?


No I don't but luckily Google streetview does.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
For what exactly?


Attempting to obtain property by deception.

Making a false declaration.

Both completely unsurprisingly are criminal offences.

chris-red wrote:
How do you know? You have a photographic memory of all the bike bays going back 9 months in East London?


No I don't but luckily Google streetview does.


He hasn't done either of those.

Street view is dated Jun 2016, So 9 months ago. I can't speak to when it was left. I can only go by what he told me.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
He hasn't done either of those.


Just thought I'd quote you.

chris-red wrote:
I mate at work IM'd me this...


Him:
Told you about that CBR outside didn't I?
Me:
?
your one or *another CBR owner at work's*?
Him:
the black 600 out in the motorcycle bay
in ***** St, you can see it from your window
Me:
what about it?
yeah I just looked
Him:
I'm now the registered keeper
Me:
do you mean you bought it?
Him:
No, I mean I applied for the V5 because it's not been moved in 9 months and now it's registered to me
HPI checked it and it's all clean
Me:
random
It doesn't mean you own it
Him:
correct
but you know what does say who owns it?
nothing
it's weird
Me:
eh?
Him:
there's no official database to say who owns a vehicle
Me:
so why have you done this?
Him:
Figured it was abandoned, it's a nice bike
Me:
right but you can't do anythign with it
Him:
applied for contact details of the owner and that was rejected, but they approved the v5
Me:
and now you are legally in charge of it
Is it taxed/mot'd/insured?
Him:
yep
all of the above
Me:
so when that runs out
and it's parked on the road
you are responisble for the fines
but if you move it that would be theft
Him:
well the plan is to move it off the road before then
it's not theft if I'm the registered keeper
I think
Me:
I can't help but fell you have just opened yourself up to a world of pain
Him:
it's a very grey area right now
Me:
it is theft
you don't own it
Him:
who does own it?
Me:
the owner
Him:
if you abandon something, do you still own it?
Me:
I can see this ending a number of ways
Him:
well herein lies the quandry
Me:
none of them involve you holding on to a free bike
Him:
the v5 does have the previous owner
Me:
define abandon
Him:
and I've done some digging and the person appears to still be alive
and in theory still works down the road
Me:
maybe it broke and the bloke knows it is there but is saving the money to get it fixed
what do you know about them?
Him:
they live in a big house in *****, his dad owns a consultancy firm
he works for that firm also
he has a younger brother
he's on facebook, I am not
he's on linkedin also
Me:
What are you gonna do
Him:
I don't really know
Me:
hi I've taken ownership of your bike
I hope that's OK
Him:
never thought it would get this far tbh
Him:
"you're not looking after your bike, I'm taking it off you"
hah


Care to bet how this ends? Laughing


He did both.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
He drove of in a 66 plate Merc 4x4

Bruv?

I wonder why he didn't respond to the DVLA.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
He hasn't done either of those.


Just thought I'd quote you.

chris-red wrote:
I mate at work IM'd me this...


Him:
Told you about that CBR outside didn't I?
Me:
?
your one or *another CBR owner at work's*?
Him:
the black 600 out in the motorcycle bay
in ***** St, you can see it from your window
Me:
what about it?
yeah I just looked
Him:
I'm now the registered keeper
Me:
do you mean you bought it?
Him:
No, I mean I applied for the V5 because it's not been moved in 9 months and now it's registered to me
HPI checked it and it's all clean
Me:
random
It doesn't mean you own it
Him:
correct
but you know what does say who owns it?
nothing
it's weird
Me:
eh?
Him:
there's no official database to say who owns a vehicle
Me:
so why have you done this?
Him:
Figured it was abandoned, it's a nice bike
Me:
right but you can't do anythign with it
Him:
applied for contact details of the owner and that was rejected, but they approved the v5
Me:
and now you are legally in charge of it
Is it taxed/mot'd/insured?
Him:
yep
all of the above
Me:
so when that runs out
and it's parked on the road
you are responisble for the fines
but if you move it that would be theft
Him:
well the plan is to move it off the road before then
it's not theft if I'm the registered keeper
I think
Me:
I can't help but fell you have just opened yourself up to a world of pain
Him:
it's a very grey area right now
Me:
it is theft
you don't own it
Him:
who does own it?
Me:
the owner
Him:
if you abandon something, do you still own it?
Me:
I can see this ending a number of ways
Him:
well herein lies the quandry
Me:
none of them involve you holding on to a free bike
Him:
the v5 does have the previous owner
Me:
define abandon
Him:
and I've done some digging and the person appears to still be alive
and in theory still works down the road
Me:
maybe it broke and the bloke knows it is there but is saving the money to get it fixed
what do you know about them?
Him:
they live in a big house in *****, his dad owns a consultancy firm
he works for that firm also
he has a younger brother
he's on facebook, I am not
he's on linkedin also
Me:
What are you gonna do
Him:
I don't really know
Me:
hi I've taken ownership of your bike
I hope that's OK
Him:
never thought it would get this far tbh
Him:
"you're not looking after your bike, I'm taking it off you"
hah


Care to bet how this ends? Laughing


He did both.


He applied for the Owners contact details to see about buying it this was rejected. Then he applied for the v5 the reason he gave was 'Abandoned Vehicle'

While I certainly wouldn't have done it, nothing was deceptive or fraudulent.
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