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sickpup
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
He applied for the Owners contact details to see about buying it this was rejected. Then he applied for the v5 the reason he gave was 'Abandoned Vehicle'

While I certainly wouldn't have done it, nothing was deceptive or fraudulent.


How odd, DVLA normally refuse applications for a log book under this reason unless you are a motor trader or Council etc, I assume you saw the log book application and aren't just making this up?

The point that he was refused the owners details and then applied for the log book infers he had no right to it so I'm afraid both still apply.
The fact is he wasn't the keeper and had no legal right to apply to be keeper so regardless of DVLA's actions he more than likely still commited an offence or two.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
He applied for the Owners contact details to see about buying it this was rejected. Then he applied for the v5 the reason he gave was 'Abandoned Vehicle'

While I certainly wouldn't have done it, nothing was deceptive or fraudulent.


How odd, DVLA normally refuse applications for a log book under this reason unless you are a motor trader or Council etc, I assume you saw the log book application and aren't just making this up?

The point that he was refused the owners details and then applied for the log book infers he had no right to it so I'm afraid both still apply.
The fact is he wasn't the keeper and had no legal right to apply to be keeper so regardless of DVLA's actions he more than likely still commited an offence or two.


Well that what he told me, I'm sure you know best, I'll call the flying squad. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:


He drove of in a 66 plate Merc 4x4 leaving the bike with the steering lock off and only secured by a cheapo oxford chain, in East London Rolling Eyes



This has no relevance, what does it matter what he drives, how much money he may, or may not have, still doesn't justify trying to obtain his, apparently forgotten, bike by deception !!
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
chris-red wrote:


He drove of in a 66 plate Merc 4x4 leaving the bike with the steering lock off and only secured by a cheapo oxford chain, in East London Rolling Eyes



This has no relevance, what does it matter what he drives, how much money he may, or may not have, still doesn't justify trying to obtain his, apparently forgotten, bike by deception !!


You might have missed the point where he and my colleague are discussing a price for the bike.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Clearly :p
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Then he applied for the v5 the reason he gave was 'Abandoned Vehicle'

Given that the V62 asks you why you don't have a V5C that you should have, rather than why you reckon you deserve one, I'd be surprised.

Did you see his V62?

chris-red wrote:
While I certainly wouldn't have done it, nothing was deceptive or fraudulent.

Or perhaps he lied to you.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:

You might have missed the point where he and my colleague are discussing a price for the bike.


Nope, clearly wasn't his original intention to go and pay for it, perhaps he got worried/cold feet after reading, or hearing about the replies on here
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: The old Abandoned Vehicle/ Registered keeper thing... Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Then he applied for the v5 the reason he gave was 'Abandoned Vehicle'

Given that the V62 asks you why you don't have a V5C that you should have, rather than why you reckon you deserve one, I'd be surprised.

Did you see his V62?

chris-red wrote:
While I certainly wouldn't have done it, nothing was deceptive or fraudulent.

Or perhaps he lied to you.


As you can see from the first few lines of the OP I did not see the v62.

Maybe he has been lying all along, he could be a Lizard Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
Nope, clearly wasn't his original intention to go and pay for it,


To quote Mr Borg..."citation needed"
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
linuxyeti wrote:
chris-red wrote:

You might have missed the point where he and my colleague are discussing a price for the bike.


Nope, clearly wasn't his original intention to go and pay for it, perhaps he got worried/cold feet after reading, or hearing about the replies on here


He hasn't seen the replies on here, he's not a forum member, and I haven't told him anything about it. He contacted the owner the day I posted the thread, I checked in with him and...

[‎23/‎03/‎2017 12:50] Me:
got a new bike yet?
[‎23/‎03/‎2017 12:51] Colleague:
hahaha
not heard from him since the offer so just sent him a text asking if he's decided what he wants to do.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I hope he takes the plate off it, slaps it on the back of his Merc, and goes on a tour of the local $cameras. Whistle
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:


How did the owner react when you're mate said "I'm now the registered keeper of your bike, fancy flogging it to me so I'm not just having to tax and insure someone elses bike?"

Well, the bloke had 'forgotten' about it apparently as I was leaving I saw him trying to start it it was obvious it wasn't going to start just slow clicks from the relay, still he tried it for a couple of minutes Laughing

He drove of in a 66 plate Merc 4x4 leaving the bike with the steering lock off and only secured by a cheapo oxford chain, in East London Rolling Eyes

It hasn't moved for at least 9 months according to my colleague as 9 months ago he picked it up from the floor, that's how he first noticed it. The mirror is still folded in from hitting the floor.


Yes, but has he told the Rightful owner that he's already taken the keepership of the bike? I, for one, would not be ok with that.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monkeywrencher wrote:


Yes, but has he told the Rightful owner that he's already taken the keepership of the bike? I, for one, would not be ok with that.


I agree, I would have been pissed about it, I said to him imagine if he has had it from new, 1 keeper and you have taken it so now 2 keepers, and he wants it back, 3 keepers. Apparently the bloke didn't care.
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chris-red, you have clearly offended the sensibilities of the BCF moral police squad, honourable seppuku is the only option from here. Tut Tut

Or you could just ignore them and carry on with your life. Laughing
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Guilt by association. Build the fire higher!
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
chris-red, you have clearly offended the sensibilities of the BCF moral police squad, honourable seppuku is the only option from here. Tut Tut

Or you could just ignore them and carry on with your life. Laughing


And just remember when anything you own gets stolen that karma is an absolute bitch.
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A theft perpetrated by giving their name and address to a government agency, leaving the stolen item in situ, contacting the victim and offering to pay for it... we would all have a lot more tolerance if more thieves were quite so courteous.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
Islander wrote:
chris-red, you have clearly offended the sensibilities of the BCF moral police squad, honourable seppuku is the only option from here. Tut Tut

Or you could just ignore them and carry on with your life. Laughing


And just remember when anything you own gets stolen that karma is an absolute bitch.


chris-red has stolen nothing so I'm not sure what your point is here?

Also, what drdonnybrago said. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 23 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
chris-red has stolen nothing so I'm not sure what your point is here?


That was my point.

Islander wrote:
Also, what drdonnybrago said. Thumbs Up


Can I have the registrations and chassis numbers of all your vehicles please, I wish to register them in someone elses name and then I will discuss the possibility of purchasing them from you? Would you like that because I sure wouldn't want it done to me?
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Odd point to make but ok...

You are, of course, welcome to get my registration numbers from the places that I park my various vehicles. It'll be an expensive and ineffective way to try and inflict karma though. Razz

For what it's worth, I had someone try to register a vehicle that I had stored (the person that took the storage over sold it on to him quite illegally). The DVLA contacted me, I contacted the police and it was all resolved quite amicably.
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Islander wrote:
Odd point to make but ok...

You are, of course, welcome to get my registration numbers from the places that I park my various vehicles. It'll be an expensive and ineffective way to try and inflict karma though. Razz

For what it's worth, I had someone try to register a vehicle that I had stored (the person that took the storage over sold it on to him quite illegally). The DVLA contacted me, I contacted the police and it was all resolved quite amicably.


So thats a no then.
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Islander wrote:


For what it's worth, I had someone try to register a vehicle that I had stored (the person that took the storage over sold it on to him quite illegally). The DVLA contacted me, I contacted the police and it was all resolved quite amicably.


And I imagine that at the time your first thought was, "oh what jolly fun, I'm going to enjoy dealing with this 100% unnecessary ball ache"

what if you didn't spot it and the re-reg went through unchallenged? more fun to be had then I suppose.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 24 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
Islander wrote:
Odd point to make but ok...

You are, of course, welcome to get my registration numbers from the places that I park my various vehicles. It'll be an expensive and ineffective way to try and inflict karma though. Razz

For what it's worth, I had someone try to register a vehicle that I had stored (the person that took the storage over sold it on to him quite illegally). The DVLA contacted me, I contacted the police and it was all resolved quite amicably.


So thats a no then.


Did I say no? No I didn't. I said you're welcome to come and get the information yourself - I'm not doing your legwork for you. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 24 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monkeywrencher wrote:
Islander wrote:


For what it's worth, I had someone try to register a vehicle that I had stored (the person that took the storage over sold it on to him quite illegally). The DVLA contacted me, I contacted the police and it was all resolved quite amicably.


And I imagine that at the time your first thought was, "oh what jolly fun, I'm going to enjoy dealing with this 100% unnecessary ball ache"

what if you didn't spot it and the re-reg went through unchallenged? more fun to be had then I suppose.


Nope, I phoned the DVLA (they won't stop the re-reg without police intervention by the way) then dropped into the local police station. Job jobbed. The person that had tried to register got in touch (the police gave him my contact info) and the problem was resolved. It probably took 30 minutes of my time overall.

It would have been hard not to spot it as the DVLA notified me of the attempt.

I suppose it could have turned into a bit more of a ball-ache but the guy that bought it was honestly horriified that it wasn't a legal transaction - I paid him for the parts that he'd bought and fitted to it.

I think you're missing the point though. I'm not condoning chris-red's friend's actions at all. It was a pretty stupid thing to do and could have gone pretty badly for him (assuming the police could be arsed to follow it up - ours are a bit more enthusiastic here Laughing ). My comments were aimed at the pointless digging at chris-red himself - he wasn't the guilty party.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 24 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
My comments were aimed at the pointless digging at chris-red himself - he wasn't the guilty party.


Where did anyone say Chris-red was guilty of anything?
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