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 Posted: 22:31 - 19 Mar 2017  Post subject: Bike theft protest |
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I know several Bcf members are going to the ride in london on 1st April.
Any others I don't speak to planning on taking part?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ukmtp/
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Was posted in South East group
UKMTP Protest Ride 1st April
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Can I go as pillion? My bike was thefted.  |
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| Posted: 05:04 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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I'm considering going, bit of a ride from over in Bristol but might be worth it.
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| UKMTP wrote: | There has been an exponential increase in bike thefts over the last 2 years, up by more than 50% |
You keep using that word...
| UKMTP wrote: | UK based action group working towards forcing a change in the laws associated with motorcycle crime, pursuit and prosecution. |
Maybe a special law that says you can use unreasonable force if you're pursuing a moped?
No law change is needed. The changes required are in policing priorities, approved procedures, CPS willingness to prosecute, and judicial sentencing guidelines.
MAG rage-rides, ineffectual as they are, typically have a specific, defined goal. This does not appear to have one.
Like the MAG protests, I can't see the connection between this rage-ride and achieving whatever it is that they want to see happening.
London is always being ground to a halt by revolting peasants. How often does that result in a change in policy or law?
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It's not mag.
It's not a protest ride.
It's trying to get public awareness.
Bikers are scum as far as perception goes, nobody gives a toss.
If the general public realised it affects them as well, they might start asking the right people why it's allowed to continue.
It's a group of bikers with no pro complaining experience, pissed off about the rising bike crime and are trying to do something.
There isn't a manual, just ideas and getting off arse and doing something.
Sitting at home saying 'nothing will change' is a guaranteed way to ensure nothing will change.
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| Posted: 12:02 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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| Marmalade wrote: | It's not a protest ride. |
| Marmalade wrote: | Bikers are scum as far as perception goes |
How is snarling up London (more than usual) going to improve that?
Oh, and good luck stopping the usual suspects from doing wheelies and revbombs and generally riding like #BaykLaf.
| Marmalade wrote: | If the general public realised it affects them as well |
How? That's the key argument that needs to be made. UKMTP don't appear to be making it:
This is their (revised) flyer:
https://i.imgur.com/QkjErOz.png?1
Maybe there's more on their site?
https://ukmtp.co.uk/ukmtp-manifesto/ in its entirety:
"To force change in regard to laws and legislation in regard to motorcycle theft, pursuit and prosecution."
Oh, laws and legislation. Again, the wrong target.
Why would anyone else care?
The argument is not being made.
It's not brain science:
 Stolen bikes are used to steal your phones and purses.
Stolen bikes are ridden in an uninsured, antisocial and dangerous way around your children.
Stolen bikes drive up your insurance premiums.
Please contact your local Police and Crime Commissioner (https://www.police.uk/) and MP (https://www.theyworkforyou.com/contact/)
(and yes, I've Facebooked that: "approval pending")
| Marmalade wrote: | they might start asking the right people why it's allowed to continue. |
The flyers do not advocate that. UKMTP don't provide links to local Police Commissioners, the Mayor's office or theyworkforyou. They don't appear to be asking their own members to contact the right people.
| Marmalade wrote: | Sitting at home saying 'nothing will change' is a guaranteed way to ensure nothing will change. |
If we're trading aphorisms: Hope is not a strategy.
I agree with the cause. I want to see things improve. But a protest ride (their words) will not achieve that. Flyers that just explain what the protest is about without advocating lobbying the people who matter will not achieve that.
The reason I go to some lengths to poo-poo this strategy is that it's the same one that didn't work for the No To Bike Parking Tax mob. And they did it in a less cack handed and much more determined, targeted and effective fashion.
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| Posted: 13:14 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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Main reason for not going is I'm on holiday the next day and will need to go shopping.
Plus, I'm too baklaf for dis. Unless wheelies and excessive revving is encouraged, you might as well go for a jolly ride with C1REX and sign his silly "not in a group" waiver. |
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| Posted: 13:26 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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How can I put this delicately? This group can be trusted to organise a protest ride. I support the protest ride because I detest bike thieves. However, this isn't the group I'd want to see try to implement any of your other suggestions. It's taken far, far less than that to cause crises in the past. We, here at BCF, could probably do much more to put a stop to the bike theft epidemic, and at some point we're going to have to realise there's nobody else who's going to be able to do it but us.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Rufous wrote: | This group can be trusted to organise a protest ride. |
Organising the ride isn't the problem, because it's not the solution.
Do they have some sort of secret effective lobbying strategy? |
Chance would be a fine thing. Lots of claims to the effect that they had secret powers and influence in politics, secret services and the police have been made at various points. All of these turned out to be pure fiction, and it took a lot of effort to root out the rot. That's just the tip of the iceberg, and as for the rest, some decisions that were taken, which you would find astonishing if I were to go into detail (which I won't do, as I want to support them as far as the protest ride goes although no further), are questionable...
In the light of all this, I find it remarkable that they managed to pull off this one organised ride. I congratulate them and commend them for it. Look at people here willing to come down from places like Bristol to join in the ride. A lot of people have their hearts in the right place. But the best thing that could happen after this ride is for everyone to give themselves a well-deserved pat on the back, go home and have a cup of tea. Overlooking the organisational, grammatical, strategic matters under discussion in the hope that something real can be done about bike theft, later and by others.
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| Posted: 14:48 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Rufous wrote: | I congratulate them and commend them for [organising a protest ride]. |
Why is it commendable?
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Individuals do things for various reasons, and, occasionally, they surpass others' wildest expectations. It's no secret that the group was originally convened by a young man whose inexperience didn't stop him from defying all expectations and convening a protest ride. On the one hand, you have young people easily impressed or cowed by bike thief scum. On the other, you have young men like him. Something to be commended, in my book. However, carried too far, it just becomes an opportunity for enemies to exploit inexperience. It becomes hard work to keep the ship afloat, when the captain is stretched to the very limit of his ability, and less well-meaning people know it.
I agree entirely with your valid criticisms concerning the ultimate efficacy/inefficacy of such actions as the protest ride on 1st April. MAG rage-rides are a good example. But people need to express their anger. Anger and frustration aren't strategy, but strategists are 1% of the general population, and they have to work with what they have. What we have are people, with all their flaws and emotions. That's why the real work will be the follow-up work to clean up the streets. It won't involve this crowd, but the need to present a united front against the bike thief gangs exists now and will remain in the future.
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I'm thinking of going just to get out the bleeding house and meet some peoples...
Bought a nice litre bike, may as well take it out somewhere |
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| Posted: 17:00 - 20 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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you never know, maybe we'll get lucky and someone will bring along a couple of bike thieves that the angry mob (sorry protesters) can torture and burn in front of the press, that might catch someone's attention 
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