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southeastpete
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: bike security Reply with quote
Hey guys,

Im getting a bike again, and reading around, theft seems to be more of a problem these days.
Im planning on keeping it inside most of the time, having a ground anchor and almax immobiliser chain outside.

For out and about, im getting an alarmed disc lock, but would also like a lightwweight chain to take with me, but still be enough of a deterrent, so not easy to cut with bolt croppers.
I couldnt find a part of the forum dedicated to security, so if ive missed it or a recent thread can someone please point me in the right direction?

cheers for any help

pete Cool
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Joncrete Cungle
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Everywhere you go always take the almax / pragmasis chain with you. It's a lot lighter than a pillion.
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southeastpete
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
mm, thats what i was worried about. itll be too big to fit under the seat, and too heavy to have in a backpack. Dont really want that weight when im throwing it round the curves.

I was hoping an alarmed disclock, a secure cover, and a lightweight, but reasonable quality chain might be enough to put them off trying it when i leave it in town or something. At the end of the day they will take it if they really want it, but its about making them think another bike is an easier target.

hmmm
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't put a chain, no matter how light, n your backpack. It'lll fuck you up if you do come off.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
and too heavy to have in a backpack.


Bad idea IMO for any chain of weight or size.

Invest in some luggage in the form of either a topbox or a tailbag.

Jobby jobbed.

southeastpete wrote:
or out and about, im getting an alarmed disc lock, but would also like a lightwweight chain to take with me, but still be enough of a deterrent, so not easy to cut with bolt croppers.


13mm is the smallest Pragmasis recommend to secure any motorbike as advertise it as a carry chain. I used one until a theft occurred and went up to a 16mm, it's a no brainer when you see the two side by side. 13mm is no slouch compared to joke shop chains but can be still be bolt cropped, the difference between a 13mm prag and others is the time it takes. ie: oxford is like cheese and pragmasis probably lasts a couple of minutes, there's videos testing it all around youtube.

The best "not easy to cut with bolt croppers" is a 16mm because, as I believe, it cannot. Any chain can be cut with an angle grinder, to my understanding.

You have to decide what you feel comfortable with but understand the advice is here before you've put your money down on anything. Buy once, buy right.

IMO the only limiting factor is do you have space to lug a 16mm through the frame? If you don't and you can get a 13mm then for me that's a no brainer. While it's not the best or ideal I'd rather have it through the frame than not. You need to look at your bike and see what product will work with the bike.

Don't worry about the weight because while a 2.0m 16mm comes in at under 10kg once you adjust your riding you'll be fine. The most important is that your luggage is secure and firm, so get that right before you ride. Look at what suits your bike best. Oxford with bungee hooks or kriega with straps that go under the seat and tie around the frame. Really the limiting factor there is that some bikes don't have much in the way of a place for bungee hooks on the rear so if yours doesn't then kriega it would be IMO.
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Joncrete Cungle
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strap the backpack to the pillion seat, easy peasy and cheapy.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
NJD wrote:
Any chain can be cut with an angle grinder, to my understanding.


And that is your problem nowadays. You can get a battery powered angle grinder for less than the price of a good pair of bolt cutters and the angle grinder is easier to carry. Allied with the fact no one seems to bat an eyelid when the chavs start to use said angle grinder, other than to video it and put it on you tube, means it really is possible for your well secured bike to go walkies any time during the day and night in a big city.

If I was leaving a bike, all day in a public area, I would have a shitter that no one would want and keep my pride and joy locked away for fun rides.

I know this isn't practical for some people but after having a brand new FJ1200 stolen many years ago I never want to go through that feeling again, and that's the only way to guarantee it.
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P.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 28 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Don't put a chain, no matter how light, n your backpack. It'lll fuck you up if you do come off.


Then don't come off. Banging. Or strap bag/rucksack to rear seat. No issues.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
You can get a battery powered angle grinder for less than the price of a good pair of bolt cutters and the angle grinder is easier to carry.

I'm minded to agree. Croppers are so 20th century. Grinder for pedboi gangs, or stinkwheel reckons he lost a bike to hydraulic croppers.

16mm over 13mm is likely to buy you a few extra seconds now. Betterer, but if I were buying new, I'd be thinking a 13mm Pragmasis noose chain for out-and-about.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
What you really need is a portable 30foot deep hole to bury your bike in.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.


Don't forget it has to be on the grass next to the pavement.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.


I hear MotoGP teams are adopting this method soon
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Re: bike security Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
theft seems to be more of a problem these days


context

ssshh, I left the keys in the loan bike ignition all morning, parked out on the sunny streets of Glasgow, was still there when I left the office (keys and bike!) (no I wont be repeating that little experiment)
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southeastpete
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.


Ok I missed this, what's it about? Linky?
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Poecilotheria
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I carry a almax IV in the tail these days.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
vice wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.


I hear MotoGP teams are adopting this method soon


Haha! Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
itll be too big to fit under the seat, and too heavy to have in a backpack. Dont really want that weight when im throwing it round the curves.
I occasionally use to take the Almax around in an unbranded pack similar to one of these and didn't really notice the weight of the chain, on the ZX6 at least.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Autokicker-Essential-Mini-Tail-Pack-Seat-Bag-For-Motorcycles-Motorbikes-/172238183135

If it fits in the tail pack reasonably well and stays low and stable it probably shouldn't cause too many issues.

I've also taken the Almax in a Kriega US20 tailpack before, although that did need padding out with clothes to keep the chain still.
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southeastpete
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Poecilotheria wrote:
I carry a almax IV in the tail these days.


Do you mean under the seat or in a tail pack? Small tailback is ok I guess but what if I want to take a pillion..?
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mount an alarm system on it, so that when it triggers your bike turns into a trashy car from the 80s unless YOU deactivate it.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
Small tailback is ok I guess but what if I want to take a pillion..?
Strap on tank bag would do it, or possibly a magnetic one if it sits securely. Lay the chain on a piece of non slip mat at the bottom and pad the rest of the tank bag out accordingly with clothes if you can't find one compact enough to stop it moving around.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 29 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Take the front wheel off, drain the oil and leave it on its side.

Last one, I promise.

Ok I missed this, what's it about? Linky?

You will need popcorn.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 30 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
southeastpete wrote:
Poecilotheria wrote:
I carry a almax IV in the tail these days.


Do you mean under the seat or in a tail pack? Small tailback is ok I guess but what if I want to take a pillion..?


Mine fits in the bike tail perfectly with the tool kit I fit in there too. Of course I put a few rubber bumpers in the back to stop any damage in the plastics.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 30 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can fit a 19mm chain under your seat? Can you get a tin of custard in there too?
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 30 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Never tried custard too...mmm
yeah i can fit it, 1m chain as its all i need in the places I park it in town.
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