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PostPosted: 12:31 - 07 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like the black cabs donated well to the Mayors office hence their exemption............maybe had we bikers donated to his office we would be exempt too
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 07 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
maybe had we bikers donated to his office we would be exempt too

But, but, he said he'd be our best friend after we voted for him. MAG promised us. He said.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 07 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikers need to be more radical. Who's gonna set themselves on fire outside city hall?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 07 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Bikers need to be more radical. Who's gonna set themselves on fire outside city hall?

My money would be on Smiler.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 09 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah bugger and there was me thinking ULEZ London was going to be a show in Soho involving something infinitely more titilating than a debate on motorcycles...
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 09 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

No sorry no tits and bums
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consultation Stage 3. Up to you whether you respond, but it'll be quicker and more effective no less ineffective than a Rage Ride.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-quality-consultation-phase-2/consultation/subpage.2017-03-30.7531597499/

Hilariously, they have every gender and sexual orientation imaginable, but don't list motorcycle under the vehicle types (write ins are available).
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Consultation Stage 3. Up to you whether you respond, but it'll be quicker and more effective no less ineffective than a Rage Ride.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-quality-consultation-phase-2/consultation/subpage.2017-03-30.7531597499/

Hilariously, they have every gender and sexual orientation imaginable, but don't list motorcycle under the vehicle types (write ins are available).


Done it. Where is London anyway?

I know I have led asheltered life but on the sexual orientation question, it listed
20. Sexual Orientation:

Bisexual Man

Bisexual Woman

Gay Man

Heterosexual Man

Heterosexual Woman

Lesbian

Other


What would go in "other"?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggyman wrote:

What would go in "other"?


Donkey fucker

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PostPosted: 21:50 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Baggyman wrote:

What would go in "other"?


Donkey fucker

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Kiddy Fiddler

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So...another exception for black cab drivers then?
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Consultation Stage 3. Up to you whether you respond, but it'll be quicker and more effective no less ineffective than a Rage Ride.

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-quality-consultation-phase-2/consultation/subpage.2017-03-30.7531597499/

Hilariously, they have every gender and sexual orientation imaginable, but don't list motorcycle under the vehicle types (write ins are available).

Done even though they've already made up their mind and only have consultations as a token gesture. Mine basically read why you pick on bikers and not cabbie scum Folded arms
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
M.C wrote:
Bikers need to be more radical. Who's gonna set themselves on fire outside city hall?

My money would be on Smiler.


Hey I'm not going to be your martyr.... just not going to visit london congestion zone again, so should everyone else who doesn't live in the area.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 10 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way I'm going back into London is on my boat, which is powered by a very inefficient BMC1500 diesel that wouldn't pass any euro bollox ever and smokes quite nicely when cold.

If I fire up the stove as well I'm a mobile pollution hazard Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

Done even though they've already made up their mind and only have consultations as a token gesture. Mine basically read why you pick on bikers and not cabbie scum Folded arms

Similar sentiments in my reply. Along with a few accusations of Khan being in bed with the cabbies to save himself
the inevitable aggravation they would cause if made to do anything they don't fancy doing.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathartic, but hardly likely to be persuasive.

Not that it'll matter, so actually, I might fire in with a "Y U racist 2 warz baaklaaf tho???" as well. Whistle
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 13 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like there's a second phase of consultation out, available here > https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/environment/air-quality-consultation-phase-2/

There's no discussion on motorcycles, but there is an option to write-in comments at the end. I've made use of it, I'd suggest everyone else does as well.

https://i.imgur.com/o3cWFHl.png



There's also a fancy new graph. You'll be pleased to know that compared to the previous information TfL provided, total motorcycle emissions have now dropped from <1% to flat-out 0%. However, the pre-2007 charging proposal remains in place.

https://i.imgur.com/ewI2PKy.png

I've also been going to an many of the local community 'talk to the mayor' events as possible, with the hope of posing the question on motorcycle charging direct to the mayor. Struck out both times so far, however as they only take 6-8 questions per event and there's never less than a hundred or so people in there. Also written a letter to mayors office to try and get a response that way, which has also gone unanswered.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 14 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Vracktal I've commented on the alleged 'consultation' website. Won't make any difference anymore than the 0% motorcycle emissions on the graph. Politicians don't give a damn about reality or who they hurt, not unless they're powerful enough to chuck them out of office. Sadiq Khan needs some self glorification to match Boris' bikes, we're irrelevant compared to his ego.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 13 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Like Vracktal I've commented on the alleged 'consultation' website. Won't make any difference anymore than the 0% motorcycle emissions on the graph. Politicians don't give a damn about reality or who they hurt, not unless they're powerful enough to chuck them out of office. Sadiq Khan needs some self glorification to match Boris' bikes, we're irrelevant compared to his ego.


You would be better off commenting from the point of view of all petrol vehicle users, rather than from the virtually insignificant stand point of a biker.

You must also make a point of asking them to justify the inclusion of petrol engined vehicles - the more people that register this simple question, the more likelyhood there is of them revisiting it.

As I have said elsewhere, this should not be considered to be something that only applies to vehicle users in London, this is the beginning of a rolling out process that will see this kind of thing coming to a city near you, wherever you are in the UK - sleepwalk into it at your peril!
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 13 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glasgow ULEZ may be on the cards, especially now that the Scotch Racialists look set to form a coalition with the Ecomentals. Pale
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 13 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The London Zone will likely set the precedent all other cities will look to model their version on. This is why I'm so dead set on getting the exemption for bikes in on this one, not to mention:
a) I ride a 1991 KLE as my daily and
b) Once imposed, it's a lot easier to start advancing the limit every time a new emissions standard comes out. Pre-2007 Euro 3 becomes Pre-2016 Euro 4 and suddenly huge swathes of bikes are worthless.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 13 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
The London Zone will likely set the precedent all other cities will look to model their version on. This is why I'm so dead set on getting the exemption for bikes in on this one, not to mention:
a) I ride a 1991 KLE as my daily and
b) Once imposed, it's a lot easier to start advancing the limit every time a new emissions standard comes out. Pre-2007 Euro 3 becomes Pre-2016 Euro 4 and suddenly huge swathes of bikes are worthless.


If it does happen, it might well be worth asking them to provide you with a date for your free emissions test, proving that your bike doesn't meet the current standard, keeping in mind that, should any data exist for a bike of that age, it will have been measured using fuels and oils that are obsolete and unavailable, so just giving an answer along the lines of "It's old, it can't be eligible for exemption" is not a defense.

As you know, we do not and never have included motorcycle emissions in the MOT test (nor are there any current plans to) so I have asked them on what basis they have arbitrarily chosen a particular Euro standard, as they have no history of baseline data to compare it to, or any mechanism to monitor the ongoing emissions output of any particular machine.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 14 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

True that. As mentioned elsewhere, the ER6 was Euro3 compliant from its introduction in 2006, but only ones registered from mid 2007 are exempt.

My 2008 registered Enfield is considered to be Euro3 despite being new-old-stock with a de-catted, de-constricted exhaust and full fat carb.

It's an artificial, arbitrary distinction, but when's that ever stopped The Man?

And I fully agree that the congestion / LEZ / ULEZ is a tempting template for other cities. Its only a matter of finding the budget to put up enough cameras so that they can start raking in that juicy revenue.

I'm quite a-scared that Glasgow are on the verge of it although I reckon I should be good for a few more years.

Irony of ironies, the impetus may be Hope Street which is chokey-death because of, wait for it, all the buses, black cabs and private hires idling there waiting to pick up passengers from Central Station, none of whose behaviour will be affected by it in any way.

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PostPosted: 00:41 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, is there some sort of list that one can look to to see what bikes are and are not euro4 complaint?
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Euro4 or Euro3?

Well, either way, none that I'm aware of. I don't believe it's on the V5C either. Even if CO2 is mentioned, that's for car taxation band (irrelevant for bikes), and doesn't cover the rest of the emissions components.

It seems that they're going strictly by date of registration.
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