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Val
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 19 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you heard Theresa May's GE anouncement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UazRiL5YU4
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catch up, Val, I shopped this when she seized power in the first place.

https://i.imgur.com/VcZDvTN.png


So, back on topic (I do apologise), Darth May loves democracy so much that she will allow local Tory associations to choose any candidate that they want from shortlists of Remoaners hand picked by her.

And thanks to Gina Miller and the Supreme Court for establishing that the will of Parliament is supreme over that of the mere people, once we have an overwhelming Remoaner government elected on the basis of the sounds emerging from Sharia's face-hole, that's all she wrote for Brexit. It will be great news for 0-hour sweatshops and gang-masters though.

Ah, 'emergency rules'. It's OK, we promise that we'll only impose them if they're really reeeeeeally necessary, or if we feel like it.

As I'm always looking for the bright side, it occurs that we'll need to put the cotton mills back into production to provide the thread for this gargantuan stitch-up.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour MP's voting to chop off their own heads bemuses me.

The only idea I can come up with is that there's something major we don't know that Westminster does.

Or TMay has far too much goss via GCHQ on the pleb party.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corbynites are genuinely deluded.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Beeb have been arguing that there's no need for them to even pretend to be neutral.


M.C wrote:
Corbynites are genuinely deluded.

Most zealots are, almost axiomatically so when dealing with politics in a remotely democratic system (i.e. not the EU) where reality depends on persuading the masses to your point of view.

From there flows the assertion that anyone who disagrees with your extremist fringe (i.e. most people) must simply be too dim to understand the truth. Also, Nazis.

Well, the laugh is that while Corbyn was challenging Sharia to a fite, the Labour NEC - hostile to Corbyn - seized their chance to bypass both him and the Outer Party and centrally select ALL candidates.

One thing's for sure, this is turning out to be a whopping great fish-to-the-face for the odd quirks and remnants of local constituency democracy.

Regardless of the result, we're going to get a Parliament stuffed full of the very worst pole-climbing loyal careerist establishment apparatchiks. Sick
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Corbynites are genuinely deluded.


What I find more deluded is how people are ignoring Labour/Tory policy discussion for the sake of basic identity politics.

People claim they're wise enough to realise that you don't vote for the front man, you vote for the organisation they represent, yet in the same breath we get, "Corbyn is unelectable! Don't vote for him! May wants 'extreme' Brexit! Don't vote for her!"

Politics is now celebrity culture.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
M.C wrote:
Corbynites are genuinely deluded.


What I find more deluded is how people are ignoring Labour/Tory policy discussion for the sake of basic identity politics.

People claim they're wise enough to realise that you don't vote for the front man, you vote for the organisation they represent, yet in the same breath we get, "Corbyn is unelectable! Don't vote for him! May wants 'extreme' Brexit! Don't vote for her!"

Politics is now celebrity culture.

Hasn't that always been the case? Ultimately you do sort of help or hinder the man (or woman) at the top. On a local level David Lammy supports the regeneration of Tottenham, which includes pulling down all the council estates, and forcing out all those labour voters... watch everyone still vote for him.

It's retarded that this election seems to be being fought on a single unrelated/some would say already decided issue but that's the way politics has gone. I blame the Scots for starting off the what election's this, oh well must be related to the last one, lets vote the same way style of politics.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
ignoring Labour/Tory policy discussion for the sake of basic identity politics.

That policy should be determined by the MPs rather than dictated to them, and so their identity matters. We're voting for individuals rather than parties.

However when the choice is between candidates selected by shadowy cabal of grandees, that all goes to Pol Pot.

I strongly suspect that most of our choices in June are going to share a Common Purpose, and that those who vote Tory on the expectation that means #BrexitMeansBrexit are going to get a rude awakening.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Al Beeb have been arguing that there's no need for them to even pretend to be neutral.


M.C wrote:
Corbynites arempd72 is genuinely deluded.

Most zealots are, almost axiomatically so when dealing with politics in a remotely democratic system (i.e. not the EU) where reality depends on persuading the masses to your point of view.

From there flows the assertion that anyone who disagrees with your extremist fringe (i.e. most people) must simply be too dim to understand the truth. Also, Nazis.


..works too...

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PostPosted: 16:51 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKip grassroots site admits that are totally rekt, but suggest running on a very simple platform:

Arrow Fix immigration.
Arrow British law for all.
Arrow End foreign aid.

Let's see if whomever is pulling/cutting the strings at UKIP HQ goes for it, or whether it'll be more VAT-on-fish-and-chips and friendly-face campaigning outside mosques.


Speaking of which, here we go.

https://i.imgur.com/YaLvq9h.jpg?1

I know, right. It's so tiring voting when you've not eaten, let alone doing it two or three times.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
UKip grassroots site admits that are totally rekt, but suggest running on a very simple platform:

Arrow Fix immigration.
Arrow British law for all.
Arrow End foreign aid.

Let's see if whomever is pulling/cutting the strings at UKIP HQ goes for it, or whether it'll be more VAT-on-fish-and-chips and friendly-face campaigning outside mosques.


Speaking of which, here we go.

https://i.imgur.com/YaLvq9h.jpg?1

I know, right. It's so tiring voting when you've not eaten, let alone doing it two or three times.


Would that be a Ramadanadingdong?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggyman wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/YaLvq9h.jpg?1

Would that be a Ramadanadingdong?

That's exactly what I titled it in my imgur album and get out of my heaaaad.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I just took this test: ISideWith.

Results:

55% Labour
55% Lib Dem
53% Tory
53% Green
50% UKIP

Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the fence as I always suspected Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loaded questions with multiple repeats. And it's that up to date it asks how you think the Brexit vote will go Laughing

https://uk.isidewith.com/results-image/3086515246.jpg

53 - Tory
52 - LibDeb
51 - Labour
46 - UKIP
40 - Green
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amusingly enough today is the day I am driving and suddenly...
https://i.imgur.com/NgEC30O.png

turns out the Internet has beaten me to it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/04/corbyn-street-split-labour-brexit-islington
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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 20 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
On the fence as I always suspected Rolling Eyes


Apparently so.

But I've been going absolutely berserk posting Labour propaganda on facebook.

I could tell which questions were swinging me away from the classic 'lefty' results though. Things like agreement with capital punishment in obvious cases, military/community service for all 18 year olds, proper immigration controls, only trading with the EU if it's in our interest...

Like I've said before, I think I really am a neo-Nazi. 'Nationalist' Socialist.
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 21 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm voting Labour for the laugh.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 21 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

62% UKIP
62% Labour
55% SNP

How can I 55% support the SNP? I can't even vote for them
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 21 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long term this is excellent news for Labour. A week ago they were stuck with Corbyn until 2020. Now he'll be gone on June 9th.

Rogerborg's point re: May using this to get 5 years' grace to water down Brexit and wait for it all to simmer down would get several "insightful" Karmas if I could do that. It's a genuine possibility and, tbh, it'd suit me fine. Would be fun watching both extremes of the brexit battle not get what they want. Only downside would be a stronger UKIP, but the naughty side of me would like to see UKIP gain popularity in Farage's absence just to piss him off.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 21 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:


What I find more deluded is how people are ignoring Labour/Tory policy discussion for the sake of basic identity politics.

People claim they're wise enough to realise that you don't vote for the front man, you vote for the organisation they represent, yet in the same breath we get, "Corbyn is unelectable! Don't vote for him! May wants 'extreme' Brexit! Don't vote for her!"

Politics is now celebrity culture.


Its worse than that its becoming proxy-bully culture. Parties now promote themselves based on a promise of "vote for us and we will beat the crap out of INSERT HANDY ENEMY OF WHARREVA HERE". The last thing they do is actually base what is presented to the masses on what they historically represent, its considered bad tactics, hence the hatred within the Labour party for Corbyn.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 21 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's necessarily a case of voting for one person and one person only. But Corbyn, May, the libdem guy etc... each is the person that the party has put forward to say "this person represents us, this person speaks for us". That's the message to the proles.

Love or loathe Blair, he was a good speaker and came across as a fairly together guy*. Whereas Corbyn comes across as a weak lefty geography teacher and May comes across as a dictator in the making.


* watch him speak now and it's like he's been electro-shocked for 10 years while watching nothing but a Clockwork Orange. I guess that's what a lifetime of trying to pretend you're not responsible for tens of thousands of dead civilians does to you.
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