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So, how much are you paying in rent, and in what area?
Persuade us with facts. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 11:31 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: |
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We're apparently not discussing anything remotely factual.
I'm fairly close to drawing a conclusion that even under the Tories, rent for council properties is still a sweetheart deal versus the local private sector.
Which would be a pity, but if the numbers were truly persuasive, why not let them persuade? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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mpd72 wrote: | So your mother had you when she was around 50 did she? |
Where did I say I was 16? It was an example that even a kid at 16 (starting at ~16k) would be in the top bracket.
Quote: | Bollocks, you're a working adult playing hard done by because you're having to pay way, way under market rent, rather than living for free off my tax money.
If you didn't still live with mummy, rent for your own place would be a damn site more than you're paying now. Be grateful that your household's rent is being subsidised by the state, even after telfty % increases, bringing the figure almost to way less than market value. |
Except it isn't, but you're so narrow minded nothing's going to change your opinion that you're paying for everyone in social housing (regardless of their circumstances).
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Firstly I am not going to get into a willy waving contest on the internet with someone I don't know. |
Because you'll probably lose?
Quote: | There is probably a point I could make about you renting your home? However... |
You already have.
Quote: | It's not going to make either of us look good if we carry on this chain of conversation is it? |
You mean in addition to routinely bringing up a topic we discussed (at great length) ages ago?
Rogerborg wrote: | And whether cuts in welfare under the Tories have actually resulted in council house inhabitants paying the same as private sector renters in that area.
How much and where? |
I said I have no problem but we've gone way off topic. Anyone who remotely gives a shit can see the Tories have attacked welfare and workers rights during their time in charge (mainly in a coalition government I might add).
They'll get back in with an even stronger majority and we'll return to the wonderful years of the 80s/90s, where life was brilliant if you were wealthy, and total shit if you were poor(er). |
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Posted: 11:59 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: |
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M.C wrote: | you have made your opinions perfectly clear. |
They could be changed, with the appropriate evidence.
If you're not going to say, we'll have to go by what you've implied, which is that you're paying about £350 a month (30% of take home from £16K assuming you accounted for tax and NI) and you're inside the M25.
Average rent across London is £740 per month, and that's per room, not per property. Bare minimum is SE2 Abbey Wood, at £506. I'm guessing (because I have to) that you're somewhere in SE, where average rents are £699 a month, or about twice what you're paying.
(Q1 2017 source).
You can continue to berate me for my ignorance of your situation, or you can persuade me how dire it is by clarifying it. It's really your choice.
At the moment, it's reading like "London is shit, I hate it, Tories are in power, therefore their fault". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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This is why I'm not going to play your stupid game, the fellow BCF'er pays £400 (slightly strange circumstances I'll admit (lived there a long time)), the work colleague pays the same even though it's 20% below your 'bare minimum'. And both of those aren't on a council estate most people are too scared to go on.
We're just going round in endless circles, it's a nationally set rate, brummie M.C will be paying the same even though local rents are a lot lower. Try to see the bigger picture |
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So you're ignoring the post above with figures, and that I've stated exactly what I pay, which you can find out from every council website in England
...and then you're the one not wanting to post figures I guess cos as is often the case on here, you won't look like such a big successful bollocks when you do. |
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M.C wrote: | fellow BCF'er pays £400 |
And you pay "the same" £400. OK, you didn't deduct tax/NI from your £16K example.
You won't say where, so I have no choice but to assume it's in an area where room rents are at or above the £740 London average. If they were lower, you'd have said, right?
So it seems to me that you're enjoying at least £340 a month in free rent. Possibly much more.
If not, why don't you take your £400 and spend it on renting these nicer private flats that you are convinced exist?
I genuinely, truly, don't understand why you think you're entitled to the sweet deal that you're enjoying or why you blame the Tories because it's not even sweeter.
What is that you expect from them? That your mum (the tenant) can take in adult lodgers (which is what you are) and charge them rent without any reduction in her benefits? Effectively, the ability to run a B&B in a taxpayer provided property.
Help me to understand your grievance. I'm genuinely not trying to provoke you, I just find your attitude towards entitlement utterly baffling. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | M.C wrote: | fellow BCF'er pays £400 |
And you pay "the same" £400. OK, you didn't deduct tax/NI from your £16K example.
You won't say where, so I have no choice but to assume it's in an area where room rents are at or above the £740 London average. If they were lower, you'd have said, right?
So it seems to me that you're enjoying at least £340 a month in free rent. Possibly much more.
If not, why don't you take your £400 and spend it on renting these nicer private flats that you are convinced exist?
I genuinely, truly, don't understand why you think you're entitled to the sweet deal that you're enjoying or why you blame the Tories because it's not even sweeter.
What is that you expect from them? That your mum (the tenant) can take in adult lodgers (which is what you are) and charge them rent without any reduction in her benefits? Effectively, the ability to run a B&B in a taxpayer provided property.
Help me to understand your grievance. I'm genuinely not trying to provoke you, I just find your attitude towards entitlement utterly baffling. |
It's calculated gross so I calculated it gross. You're doing exactly what I said would happen, taking some BS average. £700's what you pay for one of the yuppy new builds I was talking about. I never said it should be free, just that a single child shouldn't have to pay the lion share, which's not unreasonable.
I suppose when the mini Borg's are of working age you'll be getting them to cover most of the mortgage? |
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M.C wrote: | taking some BS average. |
That you know two people who are paying at the low end of the range doesn't alter the average. Which I'll have to assume is higher than £740 since you still won't disclose half of a postcode.
If nicer properties are available for £400, why haven't you moved into one?
I'm sorry to have to ask the same questions over and over, but they're begged by your answers.
M.C wrote: | a single child shouldn't have to pay the lion share |
But... you're an adult, right? And your mum's a pensioner? Why do you still self-identify as a child?
This is the attitude that baffles me. Don't you want to pay what it takes in order to be head of your own household? How long are you wanting to live as a dependent?
M.C wrote: | I suppose when the mini Borg's are of working age you'll be getting them to cover most of the mortgage? |
I'll be mortgage free in the next year or two. Beholden to no-one, dependent on no-one.
Oh, and I'll expect them to move out, or at a minimum to be putting every penny earned towards a deposit.
I don't particualrly want to generalise that the Tories are the party that empower adults, while Labour act as a surrogate parent to the professionally helpless and perpetually dependent. But you're making it darn easy to do so. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | That you know two people who are paying at the low end of the range doesn't alter the average. Which I'll have to assume is higher than £740 since you still won't disclose half of a postcode.
If nicer properties are available for £400, why haven't you moved into one?
I'm sorry to have to ask the same questions over and over, but they're begged by your answers. |
My (partial) postcode isn't even on your list. And as you keep ignoring it's a national rate it would have to be a national average wouldn't it?
Quote: | But... you're an adult, right? And your mum's a pensioner? Why do you still self-identify as a child? |
I am my mums child am I not? I live at home do I not? Sorry if these definitions are baffling. There are reasons a [confusing term alert] child might have to live with their elderly parent, I'll let imagine what these are.
Quote: | I suppose when the mini Borg's are of working age you'll be getting them to cover most of the mortgage?
I'll be mortgage free in the next year or two. Beholden to no-one, dependent on no-one.
Oh, and I'll expect them to move out, or at a minimum to be putting every penny earned towards a deposit.
I don't particualrly want to generalise that the Tories are the party that empower adults, while Labour act as a surrogate parent to the professionally helpless and perpetually dependent. But you're making it darn easy to do so. |
What do you think I have done? I have a deposit saved up, I just need to move somewhere I can actually afford to buy (which means finding a new job etc.). You go on about scroungers and then ignore the policies which make work less attractive. You're a Tory, make sure to vote sharia May
JonB wrote: | Tomorrow's news: -
MC still breastfeeding from mum shocker as a result of the disgusting price of food. |
Sweet, you've stopped crying over Itchy tearing you apart and are back for more. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 355 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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