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Posted: 19:56 - 21 Apr 2017 Post subject: How to get away with manslaughter... |
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... just be English, beat up a Czech to death, say you are sorry.
I've just heard this on the radio, and find it very fecked up. I don't know what the British law says, what it defines as manslaughter, but this sure makes me question the whole thing. So, we have the perpetrator, we have several eye witnesses, we have CCTV evidence, and the court of the law says alright mate, you're good to go?!
I am familiar with the process, once found not guilty means no one, not even the Queen, can do anything about it. So, the only chance would be the European court for human rights, but I am skeptical.
Quote: | Raymond Sculley found not guilty of beating Zdenek Makar to death in killing that sparked fears of post-Brexit violence |
Quote: | Raymond Sculley then removed a bicycle lock, a heavy metal chain attached to a solid locking end that he took from his own bike, and approached the helpless Mr Makar.
“He swung the improvised weapon and struck Mr Makar to the left side of his head, catching him behind the ear and knocking him to the ground where he then struck him at least twice more.” |
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/03/decorator-cleared-killing-czech-man-zdenek-makar-london-street-attack
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Self defence and 'reasonable force' should be considered. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Posted: 20:18 - 21 Apr 2017 Post subject: Re: How to get away with manslaughter... |
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The almost word-for-word identical story told by every legacy media outfit, from far left to right, must be the truth, the whole, truth, and nothing but the truth.
The jury could not possibly have been in possession of any other facts beyond those, and must therefore all have been Brexit Hate Nazi Britain First Nazi National Party Nazis.
I can't think of any other explanation that makes sense. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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So there's a bit of blaming the victim because he's had a drink, whilst also suggesting that only one (fatal) blow with a weapon is reasonable force
Very surprised the guy isn't in jail at all. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Posted: 14:41 - 22 Apr 2017 Post subject: Re: How to get away with manslaughter... |
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Your bias is showing. There's no "Huge agenda" in the article, it's basically the same as the murdermap text with some quotes thrown in. ____________________ Honda CBF125 ➝ NC700X
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Posted: 17:32 - 22 Apr 2017 Post subject: |
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I'm not defending Sculley, he killed and I can't account for how on earth he went free based upon what I'm reading here. I'd like to know though, wouldn't you? He went free yet the article only deals with the case for the prosecution, not the defence. What swayed the jury, or cast doubt?
I'd also just like less spin and subliminal messaging in the news. The intentional take home message seems to be,
"Young Czech professional (something to do with architecture) makes inoffensive comment and is pursued and killed by paint-spattered decorator and his gang who had been smoking cannabis."
It could have been,
"Catering manager Makar, on his way home after a drinking session, insults a teenager in a shop and then rows with the youth's older friend Sculley, a decorator by profession. After the spat they all depart in the same direction but Makar, thinking they're following him, removes his jacket and challenges the decorator again. Makar receives a blow behind the ear from a heavy, improvised weapon. The location of the blow (said to be equivalent to a firm punch), combined with the effects of alcohol is enough to kill him."
Death by misadventure, perhaps? Doesnt sound right. However, I'm commenting on the way the news is delivered by The Press and other media. |
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It's there in black and white. You talk about bias and want to completely ignore what's in front of your eyes |
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Hold on, who mentioned Brexit? Oh, The Guardian article did, in the sub-heading and the first line.
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Posted: 22:45 - 22 Apr 2017 Post subject: |
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I had a lot to do, so I couldn't keep up with the topic.
Well, first of all, I am glad Roger finds this amusing.
Secondly, I do agree that British News using the Brexit to promote their Newspaper/web sites is wrong. Czech news never tried to even imply any Brexit connection with the event. I know we/you have freedom of speech, but this has nothing to do with it. I can only imagine what would happen if it was a Polish citizen who was ''allegedly'' killed by an English lad. We all know how you like Poles.
Even if it was a hate crime, a result of the Brexit if you will, it would still be wrong for the media to take an advantage of it to promote their Newspaper/web site. Any incitement to hatred coming from the mass media is wrong.
I do not read The Guardian, it was just the first English News site I found. BBC had nothing about it, at the time being at least.
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Also, I obviously have no idea, what the right terminology in this case is. It was not a murder, as that would require a certain degree of planing and/or intention to kill. I had no better word for what ''allegedly'' happened.
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | Self defence and 'reasonable force' should be considered. |
If this happened here, he would never have been let free like that. There was far to much evidence against him. There would be place for a suspended sentence though, if this was his first criminal offence.
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Posted: 22:59 - 22 Apr 2017 Post subject: |
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Murder requires a pre-meditated intent. If his intention wasn't to kill the guy then it was manslaughter.
What's it got to do with Poles - or even the fact that he was Czech? Two drunk guys had a big row and one got killed by the other because his level of normal human restraint was inhibited by the alcohol. No intent, no murder - and no racial element (except the ones you and the guardian have slipped in there). ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 364 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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