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PostPosted: 15:05 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Esso UK & Ethanol Reply with quote

I asked Esso about there Ethanol content as I prefer pay for petrol not Ethanol, here is there reply:

Dear Mr. Thompson,

Thank you for contacting Esso Customer Care.

The majority of unleaded 95 Octane petrol sold in the UK contains 5% ethanol as required under the Government’s Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (RTFO).

There is currently no requirement for renewable fuel (such as ethanol) to be present in super unleaded (97 grade petrol).

Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97) is ethanol free (except in Devon, Cornwall, the Teesside area and Scotland) and we have no current intention to add ethanol to Synergy Supreme+ in other areas of the UK.

We would therefore advise anyone who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Synergy Supreme+ – providing they do not fill up in Devon or Cornwall, the Teesside area or Scotland.

Yours sincerely,

Kristof Gergye

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Customer Service, Fuels & Lubricants, EAME

Office: +49/69/50071428

Fax: +49/69/95307947

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So it seems in the northwest at least Esso is the only supplier that has no ethanol in their super unleaded.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty racialist of them, reckoning that the hicks in the provinces will be fine with moonshine in even their premium juice. Mad
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we having the super unleaded debate again?

Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats wrong with ethanol?
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless I'm stuck I never use normal unleaded in my bikes anymore. Ethanol is mega destructive to elastomers as well as being prone to absorbing water.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chuck any fuel in and haven't had any issues in over 100k miles of riding.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:
Whats wrong with ethanol?

It's the breed most likely to turn on you.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Pretty racialist of them, reckoning that the hicks in the provinces will be fine with moonshine in even their premium juice. Mad

The rumour is that they drink the stuff in those areas and the addition of ethanol makes it slightly more palatable... Wink
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:
Whats wrong with ethanol?


Whats wrong with cats dogs hobos horsemeat in your beefburgers. Razz
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
NutsyUk wrote:
Whats wrong with ethanol?


Whats wrong with cats dogs hobos horsemeat in your beefburgers. Razz


I think you'll findus okay with it.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:

Whats wrong with cats dogs hobos horsemeat in your beefburgers. Razz


Well I like my Cats/Dogs/Horses alive... and not in my burger for starters. But Ethanol burns cleanly... Still combusts...

Thats why I'm a bit confused to see why theres a problem.

Some one else mentioned it causes damage to the engine? Is that really true?
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:

Well I like my Cats/Dogs/Horses alive... and not in my burger for starters. But Ethanol burns cleanly... Still combusts...

Thats why I'm a bit confused to see why theres a problem.

Some one else mentioned it causes damage to the engine? Is that really true?


Same, same but different. It's just not what it's purported to be at point of sale. Horse meat has the same nutritional values as beef most likely, bit it's not what you've paid for and the long term effects due to poorer quality might not be so nice.

But imo it's a worry over nothing on the fuel front.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also always squirting in alleged top brands (nitro Power V.ultimate) etc into my two strokes. Its not really for reasons of ethanol content or wanting to waste money, or believe in the moar powah hype. I just always think 97/98RON gives my clutch hand a bit more piece of mind when I'm chasing the power band.

There's plenty of folk that say putting SUL in a 2smoke is terrible and will cause problems, but I'll carry on as I don't want my piston crown to look like the surface of the moon if possible.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my recent jolly to 'murica all the petrol stations we went in to had a sign on the pumps saying there was 10% ethanol in the fuel (probably why it's so cheap over there)
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethanol is only really a problem on older vehicles as it can be hard on some of the seals in carbs, old fuel pipe and the like.

Anything made since the turn of the century will be made with it in mind.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

NutsyUk wrote:
But Ethanol burns cleanly... Still combusts...

Thats why I'm a bit confused to see why theres a problem.

It releases less energy than petrol. Less bang per buck sterling.

It dissolves fuel hoses, carb diaphragms, floats, even seals in older fuel injectors.

It binds with water (including moisture in the air), leading to clogged jets and rusted tanks.

It's not even ecomentally friendly, as it requires fossil fuels to grow the leaves and such that it's squeezed from. Ze Germans revolted against it on that basis - even the Greens don't like it.

It's the devil's spooge.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:11 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Anything made since the turn of the century will be made with it in mind.


Except for many models of Ducati, Triumph, KTM and Aprilia with plastic (usually Acerbis) tanks? Ethanol can cause plastic tanks to swell, ripple, crack, break fuel pump seals, or leak through internal overflow pipes. This is especially risky if the tank is left full with E10 fuel for long periods.

The problems are well documented online in the States, where 10% Ethanol has been standard in petrol for quite some time. Successful class action lawsuits have been lodged (certainly with Ducati, possibly others). There's also a good secondary market in the supply steel or carbon fibre replacements.

I had an issue with a 2011 Ducati Streetfighter I bought used. It needed a new tank because of water absorption due to ethanol. £1600 from Ducati. Fortunately I found a new one over Winter for very much less than that, but it could have been a very expensive defect.

There's a reason that most new models have reverted to steel/aluminium tanks. As 10% Ethanol becomes more common in Europe, I would think very carefully about buying another bike with a plastic tank, and if I did, I would want to know where I can buy Ethanol-free petrol. Thanks OP Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers OP. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
Except for many models of Ducati, Triumph, KTM and Aprilia with plastic (usually Acerbis) tanks? Ethanol can cause plastic tanks to swell, ripple, crack, break fuel pump seals, or leak through internal overflow pipes. This is especially risky if the tank is left full with E10 fuel for long periods.


They were aware, yet were unable to design motorcycles properly.

Perhaps stop buying from them, seeing as they can't even manage to account for something as straight forward as ethanol in fuel?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also normal unleaded won't work with an agressive squish cut. I've been given strict instructions not to run my tuned barrels / heads on normal pump fuel by the tuner. He's suggested I use the alternative ignition map as a "detune" switch in case I get stuck where I have to buy ethanol based piss, basically retard the ignition over the entire rev range to make sure the pistons stay together, obviously at the cost of power.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Also normal unleaded won't work with an agressive squish cut.


Isn't that down to the octane rating, though?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is everyone writing to Esso?

I've found the same reply on the Aprilia RS250 facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/apriliars250club/permalink/1440337629334168/ from february this year

the BSA Bantam club from August last year
https://www.bsabantamclub.com/forum/general-discussion/modern-fuel-and-ancient-machines/

and the northumbrianVMCC forum from the same day as the bantam post
https://northumbrianvmcc.co.uk/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=612
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Isn't that down to the octane rating, though?


Ethanol has a very high octane rating. Cheap way to up the octane rating of a fuel.

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PostPosted: 22:03 - 24 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whils ethanol is devil spooge, a significant number of post 1991 bikes are compatible as we are late to the party. I can't find an e5 compatibilty table, but here's the one for e10. https://mcia.co.uk/Controls/OpenDocument.ashx?id=69
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