Suzuki file patents for a ~600cc squishy-air twin

[Rogerborg]

And it's only been 4 years since they revealed it!

The original concept claimed to be tuned for low down torque around 4500rpm rather than peak power. It's Suzuki though, so allah alone knows what, if anything, will finally make it into production.

Article says "turbo".

Patents say "super".

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[weasley]

"Turbo" is "super". Reverse is not necessarily true.
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[Rogerborg]

Do they both squish 5 quarter turns worth of air into one circle?
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[331X2]

Depends on the actuator.

[stevo as b4]

They needed this bike and technology 2-3years ago or more. Honda has its unique NC750 fuel sipper, Yamaha has its cross plane crank engines, and Kawasaki has the supercharger.

Suzuki you should have had a range of factory turbo bikes ages ago! It's no good having blowers on GSXR 1000's or truck sized turbo's on Hayabusas etc, but some mid size, eco engines with FI and for touring and naked fun bikes.

[secretagentmo...]

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What did they pinch the exhaust off of? A chainsaw?

[nowhere.elysium]

[kgm]

[wr6133]

[Rogerborg]

I'll be astonished if it ever makes it to production.

A turbo-nutter bike sold at a huge premium, you can see the profit.

A complicated 600 that makes litre-bike performance for litre-bike (or more) cost, not so much. How many people in the market for litre-bikes care about fuel economy?
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[chickenstrip]

[wr6133]

[stevo as b4]

You stupid fucking prick! You want them to make a factory turbo nutter bike in 2017?

What a screaming childish baby! You want a big manufacturer to do the hard work for you and make a factory turbo nutter bike that you probably won't even buy if they did? Nobody would buy new 350bhp Hayabusa turbo's if they were factory made, as the tiny number of people that want them or have a serious use for one will always build their own or pay a proven race engine builder with experience.

You might as well be even more of a twat and say you want the bike manufacturers to build a factory 500GP bike while your at it.

Downsizing and downspeeding is a thing, and as much as we might not like it, if you want to keep an ICE bike in production you need to be good on fuel, and very clean at the tailpipe.

A bike with 600cc power 120-130bhp and litre bike torque will be very different, usable and relevant in todays world too. Turbo's are about much more than waiting for eternity for spool and then all hell and fire breaking loose.

Suzuki needs this turbo technology as a unique selling point, as everyone else has something of their own.

We'll probably see a direct injection Ducati superbike soon maybe a TSFI unit?

KTM has EFI two strokes, with more to come with eventual direct injection.

[Rogerborg]

Wow, somebody's missus must have had a whopper of a headache last night.
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[ScaredyCat]

[M.C]

I think it's a sign of affection when Stevo goes mental at you

[wr6133]

[kgm]

There was the CX500 and 650 turbos too back in the day. Those fetch decent money now considering. Not many around though, they only made them for a year or two.

[M.C]

[stevo as b4]

Nothing world ending wrong with downsized engines in cars, but just don't fall for the trap of thinking they make a car better or nicer to drive or are as economical as the claims when driven to get the same performance as the bigger engined car you replaced it with.

There's some issues with reliability in general as turbo, direct injection petrols are getting almost as complex or fussy about maintenance as current diesels. Some don't want this level of complexity in a petrol as they might as well go derv otherwise. Theres a lesser argument over long term durability too. Highly boosted petrol engines like lots of regular servicing and drivers that don't switch off immediately after a flat out blast.

Lastly there's two types of car owners/drivers.
Enthusiasts, and then everybody else. The everybody else's who a large majority of are non bonnet lifters, and lifestyle choices people, will like these little downsized engines, the low tax, and the potential for good economy. The torque surfers brought up on TDI's will like the similar power delivery and the short rev range with easy lazy driving manners.

Don't expect a track day enthusiast or car modding junkie to love these little downsized car powertrains. If I was going to spend 10k on building a modified track friendly Fiesta, then I'd much rather start with the 1.6 or 1.8 etc and convert to forced induction than use an over blown 1.0, with a cylinder missing, a crap soundtrack and no headroom for more go. Add to that alot of real serious track drivers don't like forced induction, not turbo style anyway.

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[M.C]

[stevo as b4]

Can you do me a special version of bcf where we are all banned, flogged, and subjected to 5years hard labour if we talk about, like or ride bikes under 10years old.

I admire you embrace the modern technology and rider aids era, and the whole you've never had it so good or controllable viewpoint etc.

But I want to live in the world of blue haze, the unridables, and Baba San making the first clean sheet superbike etc. We had slipper clutches and EFI working well enough by the early noughties. I don't need to know about bikes more modern than this, as I don't understand them, the need for them or what makes clean, stacked with electronics, and emissions friendly bikes so much better.

The bloke in the shed nailing on a set of K8 GSXR forks to his GS or GT750 is all I need to read about to feel happy and content.

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[M.C]