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I done readed it!!
Jokes aside, great work Tef! ____________________ Riding: Yamaha MT-09 Tracer Occasionally Riding: 08 Suzuki SV650, Potato: 2011 Yamaha YBR Custom.
Used to ride: 2015 Yamaha MT-09 Tracer (smidsy) 09 Triumph Street Triple (P/X'd) 08 Yamaha YBR (Sold)
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Jeezuz fucking christ, Tef. Do you really expect anyone to read that? |
What, other than the Borg, to find something to quote, misquote or regurgitate in another form?
I have few expectations these days.. death, taxes, and however did we live without them kitchen gadgets advertised at Christmas, are some of the few certainties in life.... oh... and ste offering the obligatory word count!
With so much crap on the net, ported to our screens these days, mostly trying to get me to buy something like something I have already just bought on e-bay, or switch to a different gas/electric/telephone/milk on the doorstep/pizza to the door/banking/insurance/pension/ supplier etc....
MY ramblings you moan rob band width?!?
How many words was that Ste? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Not enough for word count to be provided.
Ah, what the hell:
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mrmistoffelee... Nova Slayer
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As novice rider with 1yr experience this is why i ask. |
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mrmistoffelees wrote: | M.C wrote: | The front brake will slow you down a lot more effectively (than the rear), you just have to avoid grabbing at them (panic braking) straight away and you'll be fine. |
Really, why so? |
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The front will slow you much more effectively because if you use either brake, the bike will try to rotate forwards around the axle(s) that are applying the braking, pressing the front down harder and increasing its grip.
If you're using the front (as you should be, because more grip), that tends to lighten the rear of the bike, ultimately resulting in lifting it up in a stoppie. That's why it's much easier to lock up the rear, as it's not gripping the road and being spun as hard.
However, if you do lock up the rear, it's less of an issue because you're dragging it behind your centre of gravity like an anchor. It's not likely to spit you off.
Conversely, if you lock up the front, you've got most of the weight of the bike trying to grind a stationary piece of sticky rubber along the road, and that's much less forgiving.
Try it with a pencil and eraser on a desk. Press down and pull the eraser behind, no problem. Press down and push it ahead, it'll tend to dig in and the pencil will rotate round it.
Yes, there are biking gods here who have locked up the front and recovered it, although that does beg the question of why they locked it up in the first place.
Also something something trials riding.
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Posted: 09:27 - 04 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
<Tefmode>
The front will slow you much more effectively because if you use either brake, the bike will try to rotate forwards around the axle(s) that are applying the braking, pressing the front down harder and increasing its grip.
If you're using the front (as you should be, because more grip), that tends to lighten the rear of the bike, ultimately resulting in lifting it up in a stoppie. That's why it's much easier to lock up the rear, as it's not gripping the road and being spun as hard.
However, if you do lock up the rear, it's less of an issue because you're dragging it behind your centre of gravity like an anchor. It's not likely to spit you off.
Conversely, if you lock up the front, you've got most of the weight of the bike trying to grind a stationary piece of sticky rubber along the road, and that's much less forgiving.
Try it with a pencil and eraser on a desk. Press down and pull the eraser behind, no problem. Press down and push it ahead, it'll tend to dig in and the pencil will rotate round it.
Yes, there are biking gods here who have locked up the front and recovered it, although that does beg the question of why they locked it up in the first place.
Also something something trials riding.
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I think you're advocating why not to use the front brake at low speeds? which is what i was taught not to do
Or i need more sleep/having a thick as pig shit moment ! |
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Ste wrote: | 4,796 Words.
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4,796 words could be typed in less than an hour by typing faster than 80 words per minute. |
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mrmistoffelees wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: |
<Tefmode>
The front will slow you much more effectively because if you use either brake, the bike will try to rotate forwards around the axle(s) that are applying the braking, pressing the front down harder and increasing its grip.
If you're using the front (as you should be, because more grip), that tends to lighten the rear of the bike, ultimately resulting in lifting it up in a stoppie. That's why it's much easier to lock up the rear, as it's not gripping the road and being spun as hard.
However, if you do lock up the rear, it's less of an issue because you're dragging it behind your centre of gravity like an anchor. It's not likely to spit you off.
Conversely, if you lock up the front, you've got most of the weight of the bike trying to grind a stationary piece of sticky rubber along the road, and that's much less forgiving.
Try it with a pencil and eraser on a desk. Press down and pull the eraser behind, no problem. Press down and push it ahead, it'll tend to dig in and the pencil will rotate round it.
Yes, there are biking gods here who have locked up the front and recovered it, although that does beg the question of why they locked it up in the first place.
Also something something trials riding.
</Tefmode> |
I think you're advocating why not to use the front brake at low speeds? which is what i was taught not to do
Or i need more sleep/having a thick as pig shit moment ! |
There's nothing really wrong with using the front brake to stop at low speeds, you just need a smidge more finesse with it than using the rear brake (that you can only get with practise). Just be progressive with the front (start gentle and don't get to the point where the rear lifts, and you will feel when you're going too far before you reach the tipping point).
Saying "only use the rear at low speeds" is a bit silly IMO. It says nothing about what you should consider a "low" speed, and nothing about the distance you have to stop in (which may be less than ideal due to someone else entering the equation).
Take your time and practise. The front brake is nothing to be afraid of, and the ability to use it can make a big difference to your confidence. |
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onlyJaz wrote: | Ste wrote: | 4,796 Words.
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Posted: 11:49 - 04 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Using the front at low speeds is just fine, I do it all the time. The issue is if you brake abruptly and stop the wheel while the bike is still trying to move forwards.
That momentum is going somewhere: ideally into compressing the forks in an awesome stoppie which will make women want you and men want to be you, less ideally into throwing the bike sideways which will unite the world in lolling at you.
Again though that just comes down to locking the rear being more forgiving. Don't be hamfist (or hamfoot) and it won't be an issue. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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when I say use I mean slightly apply pressure not stamp on if you stamp on it from 25 yes it is too high a speed ha ____________________ Honda cg125 J reg peice of shit ---> CB650F ---> 2016 CBR600RR
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 358 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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