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PostPosted: 23:34 - 14 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enough of this bollocks about the privatisation of the NHS being the fault of the current Tories. It was started during the New Labour years.

Thatch had already had a go with her big jackboots with the unions and the privatisation of state industries that should have stayed government-run (trains, telephones) She didn't dare fuck about with the NHS. She may have been a bossy cow but she wasn't dumb enough to fuck about with the NHS.

I put the blame for that squarely down at the door of Mr Blair and his scummy friends (oh, did I mention the still-whiter-than-white Mr Branson yet?)

Although I will contend that no government since has rushed to make matters any better Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 00:30 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can thank Burnham for that Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
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Funded by?

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PostPosted: 10:23 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
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Funded by?

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Problem is you've swallowed the 'no money' pill when it comes to public services. Tories want to cut for ideological reasons, not just cash flow problems. If we were truly that poor as a nation, we'd have scrapped trident first and long ago. So all Labour are saying here is that they'll start putting money back in the right places.

Also there's the long since debunked lie about Labour being fiscally irresponsible:
- The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years
- Labour governments are more fiscally conservative than conserivative ones

And also there's the current National infrastructure delivery plan which talks of £480 billion over 5 years, under the Tories. What's all that about? (Genuinely wondering - does this money come from a different pot Confused Why is nobody talking about it).
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Problem is you've swallowed the 'no money' pill when it comes to public services.

And you've got the "someone else will pay for it" suppository where the sun don't shine.


Lord Percy wrote:
Tories want to cut for ideological reasons

That taxation is theft by force, and the less we have to do, the better?


Lord Percy wrote:
So all Labour are saying here is that they'll start putting money back in the right places.

Can you point out where they've pledged to cut spending?

Hint: it's not Trident.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

The work is to put right the damage caused by subsidence because the labour Party in 1946 opened a coal mine in the grounds and under the house.


The labour party personally?

Why should they get money, I live in a mining town where subsidence due to mining is common, nobody else gets money to sort it out.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:

The labour party personally?

Why should they get money, I live in a mining town where subsidence due to mining is common, nobody else gets money to sort it out.


Apparently, according to the FT article...

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Its ill-repair dates from the post-war Labour government’s decision to allow coal mining in the gardens after the nationalisation of the coal industry in 1945.


His mother in law doesn't really own it either, more propaganda lies...

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The Fitzwilliams moved out in 1946 and the house was put into a family trust. Lady Juliet Tadgell, the only child of the earl and now Mr Rees-Mogg’s mother-in-law, inherited the family fortune but not the home. She is one of the trustees of the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust, which has raised £7m to acquire the house.


Oh, so not the labour Party, they only allowed the mining there. I see. An excuse to kick them is it?

So, why should they get any money, when there's a number of houses in my town suffering subsidence and get fuck all?
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Oh, so not the labour Party, they only allowed the mining there. I see. An excuse to kick them is it?

In the context of the original image being an inaccurate anti-Tory hit piece, sure, why not? We're strictly post-factual now.


Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
So, why should they get any money, when there's a number of houses in my town suffering subsidence and get fuck all?

I agree, they (or did you mean They) shouldn't, just on the general principle that it's redistribution of stolen funds

To answer your question though:

'The government funding, which will be used to address subsidence caused by the coal mining, is expected to create jobs in the surrounding area, which includes the town of Rotherham. "The factor that really secured the funding was making a major investment in a very deprived community" '

The monsters.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:


With regards to this cobblers...
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- The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years


You understand what a deficit is I take it? So what happens to total borrowing when you inherit a record deficit? When will total borrowing start coming down? Rolling Eyes


Ignore the recession completely and the Tories still are fiscally worse.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Lord Percy wrote:
Tories want to cut for ideological reasons

That taxation is theft by force, and the less we have to do, the better?


So you'd rather your taxes were used to buy and maintain nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles, and the submarines that fire them, instead of funding services like education and health which have extreme long term importance to any nation?
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Oh, so not the labour Party, they only allowed the mining there. I see. An excuse to kick them is it?

In the context of the original image being an inaccurate anti-Tory hit piece, sure, why not? We're strictly post-factual now.


Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
So, why should they get any money, when there's a number of houses in my town suffering subsidence and get fuck all?

I agree, they (or did you mean They) shouldn't, just on the general principle that it's redistribution of stolen funds

To answer your question though:

'The government funding, which will be used to address subsidence caused by the coal mining, is expected to create jobs in the surrounding area, which includes the town of Rotherham. "The factor that really secured the funding was making a major investment in a very deprived community" '

The monsters.


Except I'm not in Rotherham. Didn't even realise they did mining there, I thought it was mills.

So, where's the money to stop people losing their homes where I live?
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

When the Islamists get their hands on nuclear arms, a new primary school around the corner from me, mainly full of trainee jihadists, or a new hospital to cope with the swarm of immigrants, will offer very little security to me.


Trident isn't going to help you either.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Wrong.

It's a far more effective deterrent to ISIS than a junior school.


Trident is only a deterrent against nations not against pockets of individuals in wildly different locations, possibly your own back yard.

Additionally, you're wrong, education is one area where ISIS can be fought. Keeping people uneducated makes them easily persuaded, compliant and reliant.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who avows that Conservative doctrine is correct is just as wrong as those supporting the Labour offer. When the offer is biased, or tilted, towards one sector of society, then there will be inequalities.
Labour had better start understanding that the great majority of 'workers' would rather not be painted with the 'great oppressed' brush, (even though they are, to a large extent, in a marketplace more unpredictable than ever before.)
The Conservatives had better start understanding that they are riding the dragon of nationalism. They are going before with the sword of St George to slay the Euro menace. That seems to be the only 'policy' they have, woe betide them if they don't come back with heads on spikes.
In the meantime, the deficit remains eye-watering.
As has been mentioned, the only way to ACTUALLY reduce this deficit is to make and sell more to other peoples. Unfortunately, what we need / want, is / can be made cheaper / better elsewhere.
Where is the vision for a future largely automated, most manufacturing is already there. This is the future that causes me great concern. We are already educating degree holders to serve in McDonalds, but even there, you can now order from a screen and it will soon be delivered down a chute from an automated kitchen, that's the level of automation I am talking about, not even that lowly soak industry to mop up the desperate.
It will take a far braver person than me to predict what the future holds for today's youth, but we had better start investing in those areas that hold some chance of success instead of floundering around fighting class battles that hark back to the fifties.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an interesting 'speech' in the latest episode of Fargo, something about the amount of wealth controlled by a small amount of people, and how the 'peasants' will realise this and come after them Laughing

The way things are going it does feel like there will be two classes, the super rich and everybody else. As long as everyone keeps blaming the poor we'll continue heading that way. Still not gonna vote for Corbyn though Wink
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was an interesting 'speech' in the latest episode of Fargo, something about the amount of wealth controlled by a small amount of people, and how the 'peasants' will realise this and come after them Laughing

The way things are going it does feel like there will be two classes, the super rich and everybody else.


That's been the model in Brazil for a long time, and the people the poor mostly kill are each other. If you're expecting some mass consciousness awakening and subsequent peasant uprising then dream on.

The two classes of Elite and peasants is the goal, with a small number of technocrats and security personnel to keep the thing going and protect the owners from the serfs.

There is no real future for today's kids. The debt bubble will implode, as will the worthless education bubble, which has been long overdue. Young Jemima doesn't need to waste 3 years of her life on a degree in Advanced Word Salad and Mental Gymnastics, to learn that she is a horrible white person, with too much privilege and that she should hate herself, her culture, and is of less value that the multitudes of the Third World that she should celebrate and embrace the importation of, even if they prove hostile, when she should rationalise some reason for this being so.

There will be few jobs for them to do, and what jobs there are they will either be unsuitably skilled to do, or be fighting far too many applicants to get. We are seeing the beginnings of this at the moment, and it will only get worse as time goes on.

None of the parties will offer any solutions to the problem, since it's far easier to blame the other side, and the string pullers that back and control all of the major parties would not allow the discussion to go off the plantation lest it get out of hand.

We are due a massive re-adjustment to Western civilization and society that no simple X's in a ballot box can solve, the only question is how far and how fast do we fall? Will we fall off a cliff or will it be a slow drawn out degradation as at present, until the whole morass becomes unsustainable?
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
That's been the model in Brazil for a long time, and the people the poor mostly kill are each other. If you're expecting some mass consciousness awakening and subsequent peasant uprising then dream on.

I don't expect an uprising (although that would be awesome Wink), but I don't see people continuing to play along either. They have to believe they can have their slice of the pie, for a lot of people it's becoming abundantly clear that will never happen.
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