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PostPosted: 23:35 - 02 Sep 2004    Post subject: [HELP!] DR600 Electrical probs: no spark Reply with quote

As some will know, my dr seems to have some sort of electrical problem.

It cut out just as I got home a while ago.
There is no spark, I have tried a new spark plug.
I have poked a multimeter around and from what I could work out (really not sure if I was poking it in the proper place Shocked ) everything seemed ok, though the coil I wasn't sure about.

I put a rs250 coil on and there was no spark.
Put the dr600 coil on the rs250 and there was also no spark.

Putting a multimeter accross the spark plug contacts does show some voltage when it's kicked.

The bike has started with a lot less power in the battery, but I have tried a jump starter that will start my 1.8lt car and that didn't help.


Anyone got any opinions on whether or not it is the coil?

Don't want to go and buy one if it's not likely to fix it.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 02 Sep 2004    Post subject: bike Reply with quote

there are 2 types of coils electric start bikes have coils with 2 wires normally, ( they flaoting) but i guess both of your bikes are electric start.

Normally that or cdi Rolling Eyes

(sorry for crappy first post think clicked on me grgr)

if you look in the manual shoudl tell you ohm's and volts you should get across ingintion coils and stuff but be carefull dad almost killed em doing this on an xt once, Rolling Eyes

if you get realy stuck, i am sure we could have a look at it if you arsed it all the way up here

have fun
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid suggestion time. Does the bike have a sidestand cutout switch and is it working as it should?
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: bike Reply with quote

kill sweitch is always the best one Laughing kicked my dt once freeking hundreds of times due to that Wink
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is G we're talking about, so yeah...

G you checked the killswitch right? Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: bike Reply with quote

i take it's electric start?? and that it turns over on the button but with no spark?
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DR600 AFAIK is kick only...
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's kick start, slightly interesting 600cc single kick start. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: bike Reply with quote

it that case can be all sorts of things stopping teh cdi from sending spark.

it has safty relays for all sorts, side stand neutral, clutch, kill switch. And all in some funny logic. fix them at the cdi that might narrow things down a bit Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Re: bike Reply with quote

Yes, it is kick start only.

Have found one thing that might be a cdi, not particularly complex. Only one lead that's unplugged there, and there doesn't seem to be anything for it to go into Confused.
The indicators did go about a week before this happened, still haven't sorted/looked into that either.
There's a couple of other 'spare' connectors at the back as well, but it seemed to work fine without them being conneceted before Smile.
When it died it was a gradual, not a sudden death, ie it slowed to a halt.

Yes, I have tried the kill switch Rolling Eyes. I even took it apart and tested it with a multimeter to make sure it did work!

It doesn't have a sidestand cut out, no clutch sensor. The neutral light is on, on the dash.


Am tempted to see what it will go for on ebay... paid £600 and have had plenty of use out of it.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 03 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G, just had another thought, might be a dodgy igintion, isolate it and then try it?!
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 04 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checked the pickups, they looked fine.

Sorry scoob, what exactly do you mean by 'dodgy ignition'?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 04 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Checked the pickups, they looked fine.

Sorry scoob, what exactly do you mean by 'dodgy ignition'?


he means the coils Confused i think, i mentioned that earlyer as well Wink the wound coils on the stator plate. They will always look fine but might not be kicking properly had to re-wind one on the xt, that was fun Crying or Very sad if you have a manual or look it up on the net it shoudl tell you the voltage that it should kick up pulse when you spin the magnet past it. use an analog meter adn DONT HOLD ON TO AN EARTH FFS learnt that the hard way Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 05 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Checked the pickups, they looked fine.

Sorry scoob, what exactly do you mean by 'dodgy ignition'?


I would have read that as a dodgy ignition switch. To check for this, just disconnect it and see if the bike will fire-up (none of the lights will work, but the engine should start).
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 05 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:

I would have read that as a dodgy ignition switch. To check for this, just disconnect it and see if the bike will fire-up (none of the lights will work, but the engine should start).

/still confused
Do you mean as in the bit you put your keys in?

If so, are we talking just disconnect it (presumed nothing would happen then); or short some wires (but surely this would be the same as having the key turned).
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 06 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

/still confused
Do you mean as in the bit you put your keys in?

If so, are we talking just disconnect it (presumed nothing would happen then); or short some wires (but surely this would be the same as having the key turned).


Yes, when the switch (that you put your keys in) is in the OFF position it does two things, 1) breaks the lighting circuit and 2) connects the spark to earth.

So when you switch it ON the lights come on and the connection to earth is broken, you can't see if the latter has actually happened. I have had this fault happen before (especially if they are older and the switch is a little loose). If you disconnect the ignition switch so none of the terminals are making contact with any of the others, the bike can still make a spark but none of the lights will come on.

This is why you get your bike back after being stolen with all the wiring pulled out of the ignition.
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 06 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't know that, cheers Thumbs Up, will give that a go.

The few stolen bikes I've seen, they seemed to have shorted out the bits to connect power; presumably for the stater motor.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 06 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

That didn't work either.

Think I will asses the bank balance and consider a new (second hand) coil.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 06 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I haven't replied sooner G, hectic weekend Smile Yeah I did mean the ignition itself (the bit where you put the key in) might be dodgy. If you've ruled that out then all I can feasibly see is the coil. You should be able to get one from a breakers for about 15-20 quid I would have thought. The electrics on bike trailies like the DR have never been brilliant so I would put money on it being something simple.
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