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PostPosted: 09:17 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Screwing bolts into a tree. Reply with quote

Half the world think it's like killing puppies the other half say it will do no harm to the tree at all.
The definitive answer is........
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Re: Screwing bolts into a tree. Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
Half the world think it's like killing puppies the other half say it will do no harm to the tree at all.
The definitive answer is........

Never mind what you've already read and what your opinion of the definitive answer is, the definitive question is... Why?
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

And are you threading the tree first? Or did you mean screws? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throughout the year various village events need advertising.
Currently the banners are attached to branches which are a bloody long way up.
As I'm the idiot up the ladder it would be far safer and more visible for the banner to be placed lower down.
Therefore a couple of bolts screwed into the tree would make my life so much better.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
Throughout the year various village events need advertising.
Currently the banners are attached to branches which are a bloody long way up.
As I'm the idiot up the ladder it would be far safer and more visible for the banner to be placed lower down.
Therefore a couple of bolts screwed into the tree would make my life so much better.


How about...

https://www.screwfix.com/p/stapler-nailer/10110?kpid=10110&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%2520Listing%2520Ads-_-Sales%2520Tracking-_-sales%2520tracking%2520url&gclid=CjwKEAjw9MrIBRCr2LPek5-h8U0SJAD3jfhtQhdevHWeJdK_hBp1PQHRFHAHKUfj_72TlDgqkmJkNBoCrnTw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CLfuhdf25NMCFVyMUQodFS4Hbg
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The banner is attached with rope between 2 trees so the nail gun wouldn't really work.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pic, please.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fixed a fence panel and gravel board into a 60ft Oak tree in the corner of my back garden last year.
Mainly because I couldn't put a concrete post there because of the angle of the tree and the proximity of the roots
I sawed and chiselled a two inch wide groove at the base to slot a concrete gravel board into and then
screwed the fence panel directly into the tree with 4 inch stainless screws. I can safely say the massive leafy
old fucker couldn't care less, and has grown so big this year that I need to have it significantly reduced so my garden
can see sunshine again. So that's another 500 quid down the drain. It did leak a bit of sap immediately after doing
the job, but that's the extent of the trauma to the tree.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
The banner is attached with rope between 2 trees so the nail gun wouldn't really work.


I would change the way they are attached slightly and have a loop at both ends.

Then stick one of these larger ones in each tree. removing screws and things can allow disease to get in so these would be left in permanently.

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PostPosted: 09:55 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan on leaving the bolts in.
We have a tree at the bottom of our garden which has grown around a chain link fence and seems quite happy.
This is the scenario.
https://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j398/Zippykona/20170509_141706_zpszl2kthlr.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw a program on tv about americans building "ultimate" tree houses. They put massive anchor bolts through the tree trunks to fasten the frames for the bases.

They said it didn't do the trees any harm.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not going to do the tree any harm at all, unless you're talking about using a bolt about half the diameter of the trunk.

However, I believe such activity is generally regarded as bad practice, because when some poor schmuck of a tree surgeon comes along with his chain saw in a few years time to prune the tree, it ain't going to end well for him. Especially if the steel work has become embedded in the trunk and vanished as the tree has grown.

Looking at the pic of the trees you posted, in an urban environment, I imagine those are highly likely to need pruning at some time in the future. You might want to think about who the tree surgeon's widow might end up chasing for compo...
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

We sometimes attach fence wire to a tree despite it being a no-no, and the tree grows around it.
A geriatric tree should be shown a bit more respect, and might get fungus or rot from any bark damage - but the main reason offered for not nailing stuff to a tree is the risk to someone cutting it with chainsaw later.

If they grow round a metal object it will be a weak spot where it might break in a gale later.
A tree in a prominent public space best not to do it really.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bolts will be below any branches so won't be in a pruning area.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
The bolts will be below any branches so won't be in a pruning area.

Tree dies and gets chopped down in the future, and gets sawn up for logs?

Can't you just tie a loose loop of nylon rope around the trees at the appropriate height, and leave those in place for attaching your banners to each time it's needed?
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trees will be there for many many years . The people of the future will be more concerned with alien invasion and hover board deaths to worry about a few screws in a tree.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really hope the screws I put through my fence and into over-the-backs apple tree to hold the fence up during the last storm kill the tree.

Stupid tree is pushing the fence over, little old woman, as nice as she is can't look after it and I doubt she is willing to pay for it to be remove, it being dead would force that.

Unless the bolts/screws/nail were copper the tree will be fine, aren't trees dead inside and only alive on the outer edge or is that internet bullshit?
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Cheam!

Dont you have 'a man' to come and do things like that? Oh, you ARE the man!

Anyway, I have nothing to add. I'd stick screws in, but they are 'council' trees so expect much 'outraged of Cheam' letters to the local rag and MP.

Lovely village though.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not just tie the road to the trees?

You could use a method similar to this with one line at the top and another at the bottom of the banner.

https://theultimatehang.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/no-knot-continuous-ridgeline-tarp.jpg
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PostPosted: 02:29 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper eyebolts. Trees really love copper, honest guv.
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PostPosted: 02:31 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a large horse, tie it to the tree then staple gun the sign to the horse.
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PostPosted: 06:19 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
Throughout the year various village events need advertising.
Currently the banners are attached to branches which are a bloody long way up.
As I'm the idiot up the ladder it would be far safer and more visible for the .


I can see a claim coming here..... Sorry mate I never saw that baner... WTF is it so low...

There is a reason for putting them higher up Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo the points about the banner being too low anyway. Get a longer ladder/grow some stones.

Bolts suggest you'll be drilling all the way through and putting a nut on the other side? Shocked I'm going to assume you mean screws.

A quick Google-fu suggests the trees are in the Cheam Village Conservation Area. Drilling holes/objects into a protected tree constitutes damage and technically is an offence without permission from the Borough Council first, which they'd be unlikely to consent to given the tree's prominent position and the fact that birch trees decay for a pastime once pruned/damaged.

If asked they'll only suggest a non-invasive method of attachment I.E rope or cable ties which are removed once finished with. Which given the scenario looks perfectly reasonable to me.

That said, even the most astute councillor probably won't even notice or care. My opinion? So long as the fittings are the smallest diameter possible, it'll probably be fine (legal status notwithstanding) since I'm of the belief that ropes/cable ties rubbing away the live cambium as the banner blows in the wind is probably more damaging than a few screws.
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right here we go,
In the past I have hung a few banners for various people(god knows why)
But we have used these as the parts that attach( ish) to the tree, then just rope it up as required,
the pipe hanger fits around a branch on each tree and the threaded eyes tighten into the hanger, then just add your rope, no actual damage to the tree,
obviously the hanger is an example and you may need a different size to suit your needs.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 11 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The branches are too high to reach safely. Even using a longer ladder there's nothing safe to lean it against.
The lower banner is 12 feet off the ground. It doesn't look it.
Regarding councillors , many a blind eye has been turned as we are obviously well repected members of the community!
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