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lardcore
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Untaxed bike likely outcome Reply with quote

So, guess who has two thumbs and is a moron?

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Just received a letter from DVLA telling me my bike is untaxed. I was surprised as I didn't recall receiving a reminder from them, but now I'm fairly sure I must have had it at some point, then decided to wait until payday to tax in the same month and then got distracted by the sight of my hairy balls peaking through the holes in my underwear or something equally fascinating.

Anyway, long story short - paid the tax the same day, but effectively I've been riding it untaxed since October. Yeah, I know. Surprised I haven't been pulled up by ANPR cameras, even though I don't commute, but still.

So, exactly how screwed am I? The bike is now taxed but there was a message on the DVLA website saying something along the lines of 'our enforcement team may be in touch regarding the gap in coverage'. Am I looking at £80 fine or being hung, drawn and quartered for high treason?
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a one way ticket to the sarlacc pit!

In reality if you havnt been spotted by ANPR you may have been lucky, if they contact you play ignorant and say you had it off the road for winter and meant to sorn it but completely forgot, say sorry multiple times and expect a £80 fine.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you sent the SORN notice off, didn't hear anything back about tax reminders and thought you were good.

Then when you received this letter you paid for tax as you wanted to start riding in april anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
Tell them you sent the SORN notice off, didn't hear anything back about tax reminders and thought you were good.

Then when you received this letter you paid for tax as you wanted to start riding in april anyway.


That could work provided you didn't use the reference from the reminder letter when you taxed it the other day...
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll be beaten in custody untill you admit you were on your way to bomb Buck Palace, then sent to prison to be buggered to death.

That's about it, i can't see it being any more serious. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew, buggeration to death is nothing to me. I'm no stranger to pain, I've been married!

Thanks, I'll update this when/if DVLA descends on me to administer the wrath of God.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Re: Untaxed bike likely outcome Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
Am I looking at £80 fine

No.

You're looking at receiving a blackmail demand which appears to be £50 rising to £100. Or higher, they can invent any number they like.

If you ignore that, there's a small chance of the DVLA choosing to prosecute you. I've been lucky, but it does happen. If they don't make a complete hash of the case, you're liable to receive a multi-hundred pound fine and a real, live, bona fide criminal record. You monster.

Given that none of that fine will go to the DVLA, they'll cheerfully re-blackmail you at the courtroom door, so you'll have a final chance to bottle it and pay a bribe at that point to avoid the case going ahead.

Don't rely on "Yeah, SORNed it by post and that" and the Interpretations Act 1978 as a defence any more. It appears that the DVLA finally scuppered that in the High Court after years of fishing for a grumpy enough judge.

I would not under any circumstances initiate contact with them (actually a 3rd party collections outfit masquerading as them) or respond to anything short of a court summons. Until that hits the mat, they're just bluffing.

Once you've got a court date, you can start haggling in earnest over the amount of the bribe that you're willing to pay them to escape justice. You monster, again.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's quite helpful, but also a little puzzling (no surprise with DVLA). Would it not make sense to just pay the fine/bribe/blood money and be done with it? I mean £50 is quite cheap for not being dragged through courts, no?

For the record, I wasn't considering telling them porkies anyway, I have been riding it (albeit rarely enough), I just wasn't aware I had left it untaxed due to my own forgetfulness.

Why not just pay the £50, what am I missing?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
That's quite helpful, but also a little puzzling (no surprise with DVLA). Would it not make sense to just pay the fine/bribe/blood money and be done with it? I mean £50 is quite cheap for not being dragged through courts, no?

For the record, I wasn't considering telling them porkies anyway, I have been riding it (albeit rarely enough), I just wasn't aware I had left it untaxed due to my own forgetfulness.

Why not just pay the £50, what am I missing?


Nothing if you want to pay it, pay it.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
Would it not make sense to just pay the fine/bribe

Bribe.

lardcore wrote:
I mean £50 is quite cheap for not being dragged through courts, no?

£50 to avoid a small chance of being hauled before the beak.

lardcore wrote:
Why not just pay the £50, what am I missing?

That they might forget about it. They get nothing from actually winning cases - they only do a few to terrorise the rest of us into paying up.

However, it's in the ballpark of what you saved by riding dirty, so I wouldn't take too principled a stand on it. Whistle
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought CBR600, kept said bike for 6 months before I 1, got it on the road and 2, sent off the V5 (forgot I said I'd do that...).

When I got round to taxing the bike online there was a notice that came up saying "An offence something something... yadda yadda" so I quickly clicked through, paid for the tax and thought nothing more of it.

For the next 2-3 years I got the same message. Nothing ever seemed to happen. Don't know if the bloke that sold it to me ended up getting shafted as it was still in his name at the time but the message never went away.

Eventually ended up on the track so probably won't be taxed again any time soon and nothing's come through my door about it Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, hang tight and hope nothing happens, if it does - pay the bribe and take pikchurz as proof, get on with life. Roger that.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Re: Untaxed bike likely outcome Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
Just received a letter from DVLA telling me my bike is untaxed. I was surprised as I didn't recall receiving a reminder from them


This happened to me, didn't get the reminder and only knew about it when I got a letter stating I'd be raped if I didn't tax or scorn the bike now.
See this is what happens if you don't get the reminder they're meant to send or a tax disc to look at (not that I miss the disc).
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one time I had a letter like that was for my Morris Minor (which has a VED rate of £0) it had been on the road untaxed for about 6 months.

it was a "final warning" letter, no bribe requested etc - does your letter say that they want more money than the VED?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamsin wrote:

it was a "final warning" letter, no bribe requested etc - does your letter say that they want more money than the VED?


Nope, just says 'untaxed vehicle', no mention of money, just saying naughty boys like me make Santa mad and don't end up in heaven.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont worry about it then. Simples
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
For the record, I wasn't considering telling them porkies anyway, I have been riding it (albeit rarely enough), I just wasn't aware I had left it untaxed due to my own forgetfulness.


FYI, the offence is not riding it without tax, it is simply not having tax. Your bike (in the DVLA universe anyway) can exist in only two states: taxed or SORNed. If it's taxed it must also be insured. If your tax lapses and you haven't made a SORN then you are immediately the wrong side of the law, regardless of the bike's use or not.

Oddly, they are able to set up auto tax renewal (if you choose it) and also to automatically cancel and refund outstanding VED on sale of a vehicle, and yet they won't automatically SORN a vehicle that runs out of tax. Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
exist in only two states: taxed or SORNed. If it's taxed it must also be insured.



Surely 3 states. Taxed, SORNed or in pieces so not a motor vehicle.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:

Oddly, they are able to set up auto tax renewal (if you choose it) and also to automatically cancel and refund outstanding VED on sale of a vehicle, and yet they won't automatically SORN a vehicle that runs out of tax. Thinking



Could that be because YOU have not chosen it Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
weasley wrote:
exist in only two states: taxed or SORNed. If it's taxed it must also be insured.



Surely 3 states. Taxed, SORNed or in pieces so not a motor vehicle.


Pretty sure that argument remains to be tested in court.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 10 May 2017    Post subject: Re: Untaxed bike likely outcome Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:
So, guess who has two thumbs and is a moron?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO-6C4JWgAEJ3jR.jpg

Just received a letter from DVLA telling me my bike is untaxed. I was surprised as I didn't recall receiving a reminder from them, but now I'm fairly sure I must have had it at some point, then decided to wait until payday to tax in the same month and then got distracted by the sight of my hairy balls peaking through the holes in my underwear or something equally fascinating.

Anyway, long story short - paid the tax the same day, but effectively I've been riding it untaxed since October. Yeah, I know. Surprised I haven't been pulled up by ANPR cameras, even though I don't commute, but still.

So, exactly how screwed am I? The bike is now taxed but there was a message on the DVLA website saying something along the lines of 'our enforcement team may be in touch regarding the gap in coverage'. Am I looking at £80 fine or being hung, drawn and quartered for high treason?


I'm pretty sure "may be in touch" translates to "don't do it again, we're watching you", so wouldn't worry too much.
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