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M.C
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Timing belt change Reply with quote

The timing belt's due on my Volvo (I knew this when I bought it), but it's due on age not mileage; 10 years or 150k (my cars only done 40k). How stupid's it to leave it? It's a Ford 1.6 Duratec lump so if it goes = engine damage, but I'm wondering having read various stuff if you need to replace the belt based on age, apparently Honda (for example) only recommenced changes based on mileage.

Kinda hard to get a good pic' of the belt but here are a couple:
https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/15/13/82/47/img_2023.jpg
https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/15/13/82/47/img_2024.jpg

Also how hard are they to change? Apparently this engine's meant to be one of the trickier ones.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have bought a mac.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me personally the worry would be enough reason for me to fork out - assuming it makes sense financially (i.e. the cost of the service doesn't come to more than the value of the car).

I say that because I thought a belt was due on my clio when I bought it and was driving it like a saint the entire time.

Turned out my clio has a cam chain engine, doh!
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did you pay for the car?

Do you have to remove the engine?

Should have got a car with a camchain
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug_the_bastard wrote:
For me personally the worry would be enough reason for me to fork out - assuming it makes sense financially (i.e. the cost of the service doesn't come to more than the value of the car).

If you were to take it to a dealer (I wouldn't but just for a laugh I checked) it would cost £900, nearly half the value of the car Laughing

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Do you have to remove the engine?

Nope, front wheel + wheel arch off. Where I'm confusing myself a bit is when it comes to locking kits etc...
https://www.brit-car.co.uk/shopimages/products/seeley/normal/V/VSE/VSE5515.jpg

Far as I can tell you do need to take the rocker cover off.


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PostPosted: 16:04 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The service manual says belts/pulleys and tensioners but the timing 'kit' seems to only come with one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dayco-Timing-Belt-Kit-Cam-Belt-Timing-Chain-Kit-Ford-Focus-1-6-Ti-1-4-1-6-/331233303777?fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3AC30&hash=item4d1f0b1ce1:g:57YAAOSwBvNTnBYM

Also read people recommending a new water pump with the second belt change.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you value the car, change it. If it's throwaway don't bother. My V70 is throwaway and needs a belt - if it goes bang tomorrow I won't care.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

Nope, front wheel + wheel arch off. Where I'm confusing myself a bit is when it comes to locking kits etc...
https://www.brit-car.co.uk/shopimages/products/seeley/normal/V/VSE/VSE5515.jpg

Far as I can tell you do need to take the rocker cover off.


I'd change it then, usually quite straight forward. Access is the most difficult part. You only need to take the rocker cover off to lock the timing. Are your cams belt driven too?
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:

Should have got a car with a camchain


Yeah bulletproof, cough micra camchain stretch, cough 996 IMS failure, cough BMW 5/320d camchain snappers, cough SR20 camchain guide wear / jumping.

At least a belt is serviceable relatively easily and cheaply.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
lihp wrote:

Should have got a car with a camchain


Yeah bulletproof, cough micra camchain stretch, cough 996 IMS failure, cough BMW 5/320d camchain snappers, cough SR20 camchain guide wear / jumping.

At least a belt is serviceable relatively easily and cheaply.


It wouldn't be a Volvo though Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:

It wouldn't be a Volvo though Laughing


True, but his Volvo isn't really a Volvo either Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right first things first, those pictures are of the auxiliary belt not the timing belt, and it looks like it's a "stretchy belt", so you'll need a set of tools to get the new ones on, and a new rocker gasket to prevent leaks.

as far as changing the timing belt it's pretty easy, but make sure you are 100% sure of the sequence before you start. however, the crank bolts on those engines are usually extremely tight and covered in loctite, you will need a good impact gun to get it off.

Just for reference I'd do that job for about £250-£300 all in.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

my V60 is currently at 94k (belt was due at 87k Embarassed ) main dealer wanted £450, booked it with my local (to work) independent and its going to be about 350 (inc VAT)
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
lihp wrote:

It wouldn't be a Volvo though Laughing


True, but his Volvo isn't really a Volvo either Laughing

I know, you buy a Volvo and get a Ford Crying or Very sad

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Right first things first, those pictures are of the auxiliary belt not the timing belt, and it looks like it's a "stretchy belt", so you'll need a set of tools to get the new ones on, and a new rocker gasket to prevent leaks.

as far as changing the timing belt it's pretty easy, but make sure you are 100% sure of the sequence before you start. however, the crank bolts on those engines are usually extremely tight and covered in loctite, you will need a good impact gun to get it off.

Just for reference I'd do that job for about £250-£300 all in.

Hmm I thought the top one was Embarassed I'd check independent garages but I've no idea who are any good around here (North London).
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could get a quote from workmate. Orpington area.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I drive a 'meh eurobox' Wink

See, if and when I need a service I just take mine to a local main dealer and ask the man (gender assumed) nicely to fix it at no additional cost to myself. I don't need to ask on here Wink
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rubber perishes naturally with age which is why there's a time limit as well as a mileage limit. Probably not worth leaving it.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said that's the aux belt that your looking at, and yeah it's worth changing as if it let's go at motorway speeds you could fry your engine possibly.

All true duration/Mazdas use a chain drive dohc cam set up and unless neglected I didn't think they ever specified a cam chain change interval. It depends on the engine and access as to how hard it is to do, but to change most cam chain driven modern engine's chains, I'd want the engine out if doing it diy that is.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I could get a quote from workmate. Orpington area.

How cheap is he? Laughing

dodsi wrote:
And I drive a 'meh eurobox' Wink

See, if and when I need a service I just take mine to a local main dealer and ask the man (gender assumed) nicely to fix it at no additional cost to myself. I don't need to ask on here Wink

You're right I totally see now how that's worth spending 3.5k a year on. If I took mine to a main dealer (like the previous owner did all its life) I'd still only be £600 up including having bought the car Crying or Very sad

I knew you'd popup btw, don't worry that butthurt will get better with time Wink
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
As said that's the aux belt that your looking at, and yeah it's worth changing as if it let's go at motorway speeds you could fry your engine possibly.

Getting a bit confused with the terminology. In the service manual they say:

Additionally every ten years or 240.000 kms / 150.000 miles
1. Replace the engine auxiliaries belts
2. Replace the timing belt, tensioners and pulleys


I thought that meant the main drive belt and the A/C belt.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiya

On most modern cars the auxiliary belt drives most non directly critical components. Water pump, alternator, power steering pump, etc.

The timing belt / cam belt normally just drives the cams from the crank. It is a toothed belt and normally hidden under a cover

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PostPosted: 21:10 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the special tools. Expect the job to be a pain in the arse.

I often find myself with a breaker bar on the cam pulley, pushing it with my feet, while I'm holding onto the subframe and straining like a constipated weightlifter.

They can be quite tight.

Good axle stands are useful too - because when you're lying half under the car to undo the bastard tight bolt, you don't really want it coming down.

I would only do the job if you plan on keeping the car for more than a year. The belt is unlikely to fail in the next 12 months, 10 years was just a good arbitrary number for the service guide.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had mine done a couple of weeks back on my fiesta with a duratec

Cost me 243_quid

That's with a new waterpump as well
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A half decent indy should cost you c. £350 all in at most. The belt and pulley kit alone is usually £100, plus £40 odd for a waterpump. In my opinion for a job you'd most likely do only once per car it's not worth the headache of learning how to do it for the sake of saving ~£200 every leap year.

I'm all for home maintenance but there's a line. I used to do five oil changes a year on car and bike which represented a ~£500 annual saving and took me just over an hour on a sunday each time, incuding a tea break.

Pretty sure what you've pictured is the auxillary belt. If the ribs run along the belt length it's auxillary, if they run perpendicular its a timing belt, and as said before it's also usually covered. Perhaps you should let a mechanic handle this?
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