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M.C
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Striple wiring mess Reply with quote

Tried to hotwire the bike this morning, the lights came on but the bike wouldn't start. Dug around in the wiring and found this...

https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/15/13/82/47/img_2029.jpg
(Seller said they hadn't cut into the loom* Rolling Eyes)

I assume that's where the alarm plug would have been (the other strand leads to the battery). Any ideas? I'm guessing try to solder on a new plug (if it's the right cable)?

*thieves tried to steal the bike and stole the alarm


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PostPosted: 17:13 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why were you trying to hot wire it?

Get a wiring diagram NOW would be my advice.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

To see if the bike runs etc. before spending anymore money on it.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
To see if the bike runs etc. before spending anymore money on it.


Beg/Borrow a wiring diagram before you get too deep would be my spin on it.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you sort the electrics out properly, what reason have you to think the bike won't run?
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

While an old 70's/80's bike I would happily run a few wires to get power to the ignition etc. and be sure of what I was doing, with modern machinery with all the electronics I wouldn't even try without said wiring diagram. It's too easy to fry something else inadvertently.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had advice from PaddyTheft™, although the front/left indicator did stay on (seem to remember that being a common consequence), which goes off when I hit the kill switch.

Edit: also by hotwiring I mean joined all the ignition wires together and connected the battery (dunno if that's the right term... I'm new to baklaf).
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
...joined all the ignition wires together...


There's probably a ground, (and possibly others) in there somewhere. Most ignition systems switch at least a ground and a live so you can't just ram all the wires together.

What exact model is it? I'll see if I can find a diagram.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Haynes manual has one: https://www.mediafire.com/?ee014detjbdgl5u (uploaded due to size and image hosting was killing the res'). So I should link yellow/brown/white, then blue/red, then the other two?

Any thoughts on the alarm connector? I doubt I'm going to be able to successfully wire a new connector on, if I stripped back the wires would twisting them all together (like the ignition Smile) be a bad idea? I believe a couple of those pins that need to be connected, guessing I could possibly find them through trial and error but there are 12 of them Confused

Edit: like this
https://www.triumphrat.net/memberalbums/data/1217/Alarm_Connector.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably get an auto electrician to have a look. I wouldn't want to risk doing an Arcane and making things worse.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it out on the street and wait for someone to nick it. Then, when they've got it running, hit them round the back of the head with a lump of wood and quickly ride off.

They wont be wearing helmets in case the police chase them.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 20 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to work out bits of bike wiring in the past (especially missing connector block pinout orders) by careful inspection of pictures of wiring looms for sale on ebay.
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PostPosted: 01:22 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can buy the entire loom for £60 on eBay, not a huge loss if it doesn't work out. And, I hear you can sell the loom for £60 on eBay if you decide not to go ahead with the repair.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re-wried the ignition as per above, only difference was I got a few more dash lights (rev counter/temp/engine light briefly illuminated). Stripped back the alarm connector cable and found some of the wires have silver markings:

https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/15/13/82/47/alarm10.jpg

Any ideas what these could indicate?
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can 100% promise that joining all wires at the ignition end will let the bike start up and run as expected. Laughing easiest theft job fam.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly certain it's this alarm cable causing the issue, although I'm not getting a neutral light so could be clutch switch (like you said). Wiring on the alarm cable seems to be 8 with silver markings, and 4 without. I'm guessing it's those other 4 wires that need to be joined (as per the blanking plug above).
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

One step forward and two steps back. Joined those 4 alarm wires in different combinations, but I was only getting the oil light coming on, then with the final combo all the dash lights came on and the bike primed... still nothing when hitting the starter.

I then decided to re-wire the ignition Paddy stylee, connected the battery and heard a faint pop, so I'm guessing I've blown a fuse?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every credit for trying, I'd have sh*t myself at the first hurdle Embarassed
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
One step forward and two steps back. Joined those 4 alarm wires in different combinations, but I was only getting the oil light coming on, then with the final combo all the dash lights came on and the bike primed... still nothing when hitting the starter.

I then decided to re-wire the ignition Paddy stylee, connected the battery and heard a faint pop, so I'm guessing I've blown a fuse?


Yeah, likely the main one. Happens when you dead-short 12v to ground.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you pulling in the clutch when you try and start it?
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
M.C wrote:
One step forward and two steps back. Joined those 4 alarm wires in different combinations, but I was only getting the oil light coming on, then with the final combo all the dash lights came on and the bike primed... still nothing when hitting the starter.

I then decided to re-wire the ignition Paddy stylee, connected the battery and heard a faint pop, so I'm guessing I've blown a fuse?


Yeah, likely the main one. Happens when you dead-short 12v to ground.

Doesn't appear to be the main fuse. Unfortunately all the other fuses are located under the tank Evil or Very Mad

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Are you pulling in the clutch when you try and start it?

Yep, also tried with the side stand up. Bikes in neutral as well.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiring diagram - 41 is the alarm block

https://www.675.cc/675/attachments/ai572-photobucket-com_albums_ss169_carpel21_wdjpg-jpg.25095/
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
You can buy the entire loom for £60 on eBay, not a huge loss if it doesn't work out. And, I hear you can sell the loom for £60 on eBay if you decide not to go ahead with the repair.


Do this, even if you succeed splicing wires together you are going to either need a new loom or a shitload of work to make all the joins good.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 21 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if it would help but I got an alarm bypass plug from the dealer, they gave it to me for free, but they're usually less than a fiver
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 22 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lifted the tank, checked all the fuses, only the indicator fuse was blown (replaced it anyway). Bikes still dead, any ideas?
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