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PostPosted: 12:32 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzoid wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
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Phil Campion agrees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_zRX-F9Qt0

Phew, he slipped through their Keep Calm and Surrender vetting.

Babbling about "[But but danger what if] without necessarily reaching a sufficiently robust evidential test" after Campion clearly said where there's evidence. Brick Wall

Gaol for life unless you choose to emigrate, fine with me. Sod off to Syria if you like, as long as you never, ever get back in again. Ginger converts especially.

On the cost, I can't imagine you'll find anyone being locked up for snackbar who's not already claiming Jihad Seeker's Allowance anyway. If the issue is cost, make prison cheaper. ECJ, ECHR, sod them off. Life terms with slop buckets and a gruel trough. You don't need rehabilitation when you're on a "life or leave" tariff. Emigration should remain open as the humane option.

And not for nothing, while Dindus are locked up they can't spawn more kids who Wontdu in future.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

w...t....f
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Whole video, that ch4 news hastily took down as it obviously didn't fit their narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfrOZj6EBRI
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
STUFF


Excellent post.

If we are honest this country is a shit hole and going to get worse. Is it all due to immigration, no. Is a lot due to uncontrolled immigration, yes.

People go on about lazy wankers on the sink estates living on the dole and now it's true. But who pushed them into that corner. When I was brought up on a rough estate as a kid there was still pride in the country even though we were poor. So in 40ish years we have gone from a country that people were proud to serve to a shit hole full of grasping gimmes, uncontrolled youth and foreign ghettos where the police fear to tread.

I believe the Brexit was the older people who remember what the country was like and the younger people who haven't been brainwashed by the loony left (aka racists tm.Diane Abbott) trying to turn the clock back but even though we won, the remainers are already watering it down and down. I honestly believe the end result will be us being in EU in everything but name.

From the political point of view, I'm glad I'm old. I believe my generation is the last that will have any pride in this country. The kids coming through now just do not understand. I've shown my kids the 'Thank you for your sacrifice' letters and the medals my Gran got when her husband and his brother were killed on the Murmansk convoys during the war and seen their eyes glaze over into 'Dads on his high horse again' look. They aren't interested, it's just a piece out of the history books to them. (they are at least law abiding good kids though, so we did something right).

We will never bring back hanging. We will never openly arrest and incarcerate potential bombers because 'human rights'

The only way to change it would be a dictatorship or a method of government and a leader like Putin and do we want that.

Now where is my Blackshirt.

What is there to be proud of in modern day Britain? I have my great uncles war medals, and I respect the sacrifice they made, but I see a society with greater (social) inequality and less opportunities than previous generations.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

She loves weapons?
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzoid wrote:
She loves weapons?

And bling. Cash Converters gangsta bitch.


M.C wrote:
What is there to be proud of in modern day Britain?

We value the right to adhere to the most hateful, repressive, regressive, intolerant, murderous, brutal and savage ideology[*] above even the lives of our own innocent children.

That's our strength, apparently.

[*] Salafi jihadism. Not islam. Salafi jihadism. We can distinguish.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top security threat level, military on the street. I reckon it will go quiet for a while, things will return to normal.... then in about 2 weeks, time for the next snackbar.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of hand-wringing on radio 4 about how we brought this on ourselves and shouldn't have meddled in Libya.

The only mistake we made in Libya was not going over there 25 years ago after it was clear they were behind the Lockerbie attack and splitting some fucking wigs. Starting with Gadaffi and working down through the chain to the fuckers who were running desert training camps and bomb making schools for the IRA. Presumably the same ones this latest guy attended.

That's twice Manchester has been blown up by libyan trained extremists, 20 years apart.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

Lastly can anyone tell me is there a country or even city that is a melting pot with no defining race or majority people, that really does work well and they all live in harmony together and accept and tolerate and respect each other?


Singapore.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Singapore.



Laughing There are HUGE divides in Singapore along racial and wealth lines.

It doesn't spill over into violence often though.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Singapore.



Laughing There are HUGE divides in Singapore along racial and wealth lines.

It doesn't spill over into violence often though.


Oh, heh. Oops.

So the poor X's hate the rich Y's and the culture A's think they're superior to the culture B's ?

I guess Stevo was right then.

Tribalism is unstoppable until we're all an equal shade of pasty yellow brown.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I guess Stevo was right then.

Tribalism is unstoppable until we're all an equal shade of pasty yellow brown.


Sadly, I don't think spray tan is the answer. Remember the extremists (whichever flavour your choose) are also killing people the same colour.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweep stake time
I'm going for the next snackbar to be 5th June in errmmm France.

I think snackbars seem to like Mondays
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Singapore.



Laughing There are HUGE divides in Singapore along racial and wealth lines.

It doesn't spill over into violence often though.


Singapore, and to a certain extent Malaysia are multi cultural paradises, on the surface. Dig a bit and you would be surprised.

Example in Sembawang ship yard (and every other one I have been to) they import cheap workers from Bangladesh. These workers live in containers in the ship yard. They eat sleep, buy things, including whores, in the shipyards. (the whores are the really rough end of the scale because even they have better taste than to shag Bangladeshis who are one step up from the rats they share the containers with) These workers are not allowed to leave the shipyard from the day they are bussed in from the airport to the day they leave as they would lower the tone for the Tourists.

Malaysia, There are 2 housing markets. The Bumiputra one and the open which is about 20% higher prices. The Bumiputra market is for ethnic Malaysians only. If you are of Indian or Chinese decent you have to buy on the open market and offer to sell first on the closed market where the prices are controlled.

But go there and see the multicultural paradise for yourselves Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Laughing There are HUGE divides in Singapore along racial and wealth lines.

It doesn't spill over into violence often though.

https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+police+state

https://www.google.com/search?q=singapore+draconian

In-group preference (little shout out for you, Itchy) always wins, because it is absolutely natural. People will always want to associate with people who look, dress, act, talk and think exactly like them. Given a choice, the vast majority of people will employ, do business, or socialise with, people just like them.

The first $OTHER in your village is a novelty. The second is colonialism. Having a token $OTHER in your peer group can add a little zest to life. Having two of them, well, that sort, they smell funny and breed like rabbits.

Diversity is not strength, diversity is divisive.

However, with the appropriate amount of despotism, the lid can be kept clamped down on it.

Sadly, Sharia only talks tough, and goes after easy targets. Sad
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
I guess Stevo was right then.

Tribalism is unstoppable until we're all an equal shade of pasty yellow brown.


Sadly, I don't think spray tan is the answer. Remember the extremists (whichever flavour your choose) are also killing people the same colour.


True. I guess closer to home we had the Northern Ireland thing too. A bit of politics, a bit of religious difference, but all the same shade of white. And even if you take religion away altogether, there's still the chance of civil war over political divides.

To be honest I think there may not be any answer.

Sometimes humans live in peace, other times they don't.

For all the advances and evolution in humanity over however many hundreds of thousands of years, it seems war has always been part of the story.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

neatbik wrote:
w...t....f
Whole video, that ch4 news hastily took down as it obviously didn't fit their narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfrOZj6EBRI

Shocked Shocked Shocked
I've just watched some of that. I kept thinking I was watching an episode of Brasseye, and alternated between laughing at the ridiculousness of it and being stunned at the woman in the T-shirt that spelled LOVE with a pistol, hand grenade, lock knife, and sub-machine gun. Oh and all the oh so happy and jolly muslims (see! they are nice people!) who managed to smile and almost laugh the whole way through the interview regarding the horrific attack and all those dead children. Neutral
I didn't watch the whole thing, but based on the comments it didn't improve by the end! Laughing
Genuinely stunned though. w...t...f indeed.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Tribalism is unstoppable until we're all an equal shade of pasty yellow brown.


So the EU is right then? Let us kalergi plan on if it saves us all.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
To be honest I think there may not be any answer.

Sometimes humans live in peace, other times they don't.

For all the advances and evolution in humanity over however many hundreds of thousands of years, it seems war has always been part of the story.


I certainly agree that there is no easy fix that will align everyone and enable us all to live peacefully together. World wide utopia isn't about to happen.
But then I find myself thinking that the world is a big place, and if we can't all get along here and now, maybe we should try getting along without each other. We don't have to live together.
It saddens me a little to find myself thinking that, but "this" isn't working.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
if we can't all get along here and now, maybe we should try getting along without each other. We don't have to live together.

All I want is for us to live together peacefully apart.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
OK let's boil it down nice and simple just how I like things.
What do we as the general, mentally stable, masses of reasonable and balanced Western countries and Europe do then?

In actual fact let's fuck that, what do we whats left of the British original home race and British principles do about Islamic terrorism and ISIS?


You won't be allowed to do anything. Democracy is really just a game of charades. All three major parties are really just the same multi-culti corporate agenda on the same course to the same globalist nation state graveyard. It's just a case of how fast do you want to get there and what level of pretense and window dressing do you want on the parade. Definitely one party will screw the well off and middle class more and have as much free gibs as it can get away with to placate one section of the populace or the other may cut the gibs off, but the country is still going to end up in the same place, a controlled region in the global superstate, where you do as your told as a compliant work unit, in an ever degrading state of existence. The political leaders are all really working for a Common Purpose, and what you want or want to do doesn't really count. They have a police force to charge you with hate crimes or other crimes they will invent on the spot to keep you in line, and keep the ship afloat and on course.

The media is similarly controlled and will peddle largely the same agenda, again all with differing apparent flavours (Goebbels quote of 'a media system wants ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity' applies) with maybe the occasional outrage peace that breaks the mould once in a while so that you can agree and be given the impression that your differing viewpoint is being heard, while in reality offering nothing.
Your children especially and the majority of the populace will be well schooled into the new agenda as it sails along, and parrot out the new buzz words and controlled speech, denouncing anything that doesn't conform as hate speech. The education system will also reflect this Common Purpose towards the global 'One World' utopia of love that Trumps hate, while groups that you aren't allowed to say anything about will continue to be allowed to operate, since every atrocity is another excuse to bring in even more draconian controls to prevent the atrocity, that will in reality do no such thing, since they will be used to control you from saying or doing anything to protest about the problem group that caused the atrocity in the first place.

Expect nothing but more of the same. Expect the situation to get worse and worse every year. The country, and likely Western Europe as a whole will experience a number of conflicts that resemble civil wars, between the old declining native populace and the new replacement populace, especially as the former becomes the minority around 2050+. Expect the left and liberals to side with the latter. A few may suddenly wake up and smell the ever stinking bullshit, but don't count on it.

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Lastly can anyone tell me is there a country or even city that is a melting pot with no defining race or majority people, that really does work well and they all live in harmony together and accept and tolerate and respect each other?


No, unless you drink lots of left-liberal Kool Aid and wear some rose coloured glasses. The only time differing tribes accept and tolerate each other is when they are forced to by an overbearing government. See Saddam era Iraq, Iran, Qaddafi Libya and the former USSR.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Salafi jihadism. Not islam. Salafi jihadism. We can distinguish.


How? This is a genuine question. What is the difference between the various flavours? Is it something that can be easily hidden (a specific version of the koran, or certain head gear or whatever)? Because unless it is something inherent to the people that follow it, I don't see what is to stop them pretending to be a different sect?

I don't see the practicalities of this idea as particularly favourable

jnw010 wrote:
But then I find myself thinking that the world is a big place, and if we can't all get along here and now, maybe we should try getting along without each other. We don't have to live together.


The world is big, but its not all habitable. A fair chunk of it is borderline already, and with problems already looming on the fresh water front amongst others, scrapping over scarce resources is going to become a major pastime in the next century or so.

I'm not sure we wouldn't be better off with them inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in (especially when the "they" might be China Shocked)
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

And so it begins.

Clearly the answer is to throw endless amounts of time and money into surveiling every man, woman and child until we reach the levels of "safety" seen in the instruction manual titled "1984"

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only time differing tribes accept and tolerate each other is when they are forced to by an overbearing government. See Saddam era Iraq, Iran, Qaddafi Libya and the former USSR.


A common enemy can help too.

I think the only thing that would unite the entire of humanity is an alien invasion.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
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The only time differing tribes accept and tolerate each other is when they are forced to by an overbearing government. See Saddam era Iraq, Iran, Qaddafi Libya and the former USSR.


A common enemy can help too.

I think the only thing that would unite the entire of humanity is an alien invasion.


Not if the aliens called themselves Muhammed.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Falco wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Salafi jihadism. Not islam. Salafi jihadism. We can distinguish.

How? This is a genuine question.

Being reported five times on anti-snackbar hotlines, including by an imam, then making repeated trips to Libya and Syria: that would be a good clue.

This is a genuine answer. It's not hypothetical. We had chance after chance after chance to stop Abedi. We just chose to keep watching and waiting and seeing.

We can make different choices. Inaction is not inevitable.
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