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Falco wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | Being reported five times on anti-snackbar hotlines, including by an imam, then making repeated trips to Libya and Syria: that would be a good clue. |
Interesting idea. Would the reports have to be corroborated? Maybe just the one by the Imam? Weighting towards trusted Imams?
The Libya and Syria trips are a no brainer...I have no idea why they aren't tagged the moment they return (if we have to let them return). |
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It's not trivial to tie together disparate pieces of information into a whole pictures. The first issue is: who are they talking about?
Reports from different people in different places at different times with just a name to go by aren't obviously attributable to the same individual - particularly one from a culture where the names people go by can change more often than the weather.
However, it is possible. Some very clever people work on resolving information into things. They certainly resolved it quickly enough after he went kersplode, to the point where it's been leaked to the media.
The problem, I believe, is that once you give intelligence agencies tools that create pretty network diagrams, they like looking at them more than disrupting them.
It's all gather and analyse and find connections and build bigger and bigger networks, and sort entities into core and edge actors. Digital thumb-tacks and string, OCD heaven.
When it comes to actually kicking in doors, not so keen. It's hot or wet or cold out there, and some of those beastly rotters don't just give up and surrender, the cads.
That's just not good enough when even the most peripheral actor can take centre stage at any moment. Decapitation strategies work against hierarchical organisations, but Salafi jihadism is a writhing mass of tentacles.
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Falco wrote: | The misallocation of resources is astounding, |
100% agree. We need fewer size 11 hats in our security services and more size 11 boots.
If you stay in monitoring mode until you intercept a communication that clearly says "Bombbad the crusaders on Monday" then you're going to miss the Abedis who get their training and orders by word of mouth.
Beyond reasonable doubt is the standard for conviction in a court. It's a piss poor metric for action when Salafi jihadists are deliberately targeting children. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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1) I do not understand people everywhere who keep suggesting let's try to make peace- war isn't the answer- are these people deaf and blind?
do these murderous savages not literally say they will not rest until there is either a) absolute submission to Islam initially at which point they will still hate us and make you pay some extra tax for being a non Muslim leading to b) eventually everybody becomes a Muslim.
well??
videos like this go viral (viral on facebook not in the link) and somehow are soon forgotten. watch the whole thing if you haven't. only 3 mins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1tcVv4ZM8
All these shit examples like peaceful treaties where Jimmy Carter oversaw a peace deal between Egypt and Israel- Errmmm- in order to placate them did this not require handing Egypt almost 100% of the land that Israel rightfully won when they crushed their opposition in the six day war?
Every stipulation I hear between arabs/muslims and Israelis I hear there's some gross unfairness and the requirement of Israel to be the bigger man with basically 0 concession from the filthy terrorist/terrorist sympathiser opposition.
This is whole muslim nations who effectively refuse to budge unless they pretty much get everything they want- there's never anything magnanimous about it when they do sign... what on earth makes people think they will have even anywhere near the same effect on a terrorist organisation?
2) That channel 4 video tho. What the hell is with the smiles at the start as if they're gathered for some summer fete. I don't get a sense that these are people who bleed the same way emotionally we do when we hear of this happening to members of our British community- they are disengaged cockroaches who's first response is either defence of the religion , OR "there is nothing we can do" or words to that effect.
OR bulshit lovey-dovey peace rhetoric like the cunt in the blue veil who I really wanted to shoot dead with the relentless grinning from ear to ear.
A genuine reaction of someone who belongs and is one with the community is incense and a demand for something to be done.
To the only guy who said something needs to be done? Once again- you're saying this is because of domestic, international political issues?- you know what IS want and why exactly they want it as is in the top of this post- I refuse to believe your ignorance as a muslim, more likely a liar or trying to balance the obscenely indifferent response of everyone in that crowd.
The cheek of these people, the visible anguish on their faces and passionate angry response when arguing for the massacre of their own brethren more than 2000 miles away, the same behaviour when we see their protests against the invasion of Iraq and muslims dying in Palestine, that's what I expect to see if you are an integrated member of the British society and stuff like Manchester happens to British people.
They then come on TV and give us this bollocks- what a fucking mockery.
Anyway, this is all bulshit I remember hearing on TV when I was 11 or 12, 10 years ago. Like watching a broken video tape cassette- why do these people get air time- you don't care, and most likely applaud it behind closed doors and within muslim community- certainly not enough to even try do anything about it, don't insult our intelligence.
3) As for the muslims being killed by muslims in terrorist acts. The short answer:
I don't care. Distraction. They all have a common purpose as stated above and if they butcher each other in masses along the way then I'm perfectly happy to enjoy my life riding my bike, drinking beer and spending time with my family not giving one toss.
How dare the cunty cunt post that tweet?
4) IRA? Distraction. Explain to me how this terrorist movement (by whites which is why you bring it up I'm sure) decades ago which everybody condemned at the time too whether bigger or not than the terrorism now is relevant.
Terrorism used to way up here ^^^ so it's not so bad right now you know?... let's not overreact, oh and by the way that was white people perpetrating it too not muslims so there!
what's your point I'm really struggling to see it...
The fact is: there is a big problem , the root stemming from a particular sect in European society (using that loosely since I don't see they really belong)- The most important thing is to stop this happening for good with the number one priority being our own people
- stop shooting down valid attempts to propose a solution with these bollocks examples please.
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Valerian95 wrote: | I do not understand people everywhere who keep suggesting let's try to make peace- war isn't the answer- are these people deaf and blind?
do these murderous savages not literally say they will not rest until there is either a) absolute submission to Islam initially at which point they will still hate us and make you pay some extra tax for being a non Muslim leading to b) eventually everybody becomes a Muslim.
well??
videos like this go viral (viral on facebook not in the link) and somehow are soon forgotten. watch the whole thing if you haven't. only 3 mins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1tcVv4ZM8
All these shit examples like peaceful treaties where Jimmy Carter oversaw a peace deal between Egypt and Israel- Errmmm- in order to placate them did this not require handing Egypt almost 100% of the land that Israel rightfully won when they crushed their opposition in the six day war?
Every stipulation I hear between arabs/muslims and Israelis I hear there's some gross unfairness and the requirement of Israel to be the bigger man with basically 0 concession from the filthy terrorist/terrorist sympathiser opposition.
This is whole muslim nations who effectively refuse to budge unless they pretty much get everything they want- there's never anything magnanimous about it when they do sign... what on earth makes people think they will have even anywhere near the same effect on a terrorist organisation?
That channel 4 video tho. What the hell is with the smiles at the start as if they're gathered for some summer fete. I don't get a sense that these are people who bleed the same way emotionally we do when we hear of this happening to members of our British community- they are disengaged cockroaches who's first response is either defence of the religion , OR "there is nothing we can do" or words to that effect.
OR bulshit lovey-dovey peace rhetoric like the cunt in the blue veil who I really wanted to shoot dead with the relentless grinning from ear to ear.
A genuine reaction of someone who belongs and is one with the community is incense and a demand for something to be done.
To the only guy who said something needs to be done? Once again- you're saying this is because of domestic, international political issues?- you know what IS want and why exactly they want it as is in the top of this post- I refuse to believe your ignorance as a muslim, more likely a liar or trying to balance the obscenely indifferent response of everyone in that crowd.
The cheek of these people, the visible anguish on their faces and passionate angry response when arguing for the massacre of their own brethren more than 2000 miles away, the same behaviour when we see their protests against the invasion of Iraq and muslims dying in Palestine, that's what I expect to see if you are an integrated member of the British society and stuff like Manchester happens to British people.
They then come on TV and give us this bollocks- what a fucking mockery.
Anyway, this is all bulshit I remember hearing on TV when I was 11 or 12, 10 years ago. Like watching a broken video tape cassette- why do these people get air time- you don't care, and most likely applaud it behind closed doors and within muslim community- certainly not enough to even try do anything about it, don't insult our intelligence.
As for the muslims being killed by muslims in terrorist acts. The short answer:
I don't care. Distraction. They all have a common purpose as stated above and if they butcher each other in masses along the way then I'm perfectly happy to enjoy my life riding my bike, drinking beer and spending time with my family not giving one toss.
How dare the cunty cunt post that tweet?
IRA? Distraction. Explain to me how this terrorist movement (by whites which is why you bring it up I'm sure) decades ago which everybody condemned at the time too whether bigger or not than the terrorism now is relevant.
Terrorism used to way up here ^^^ so it's not so bad right now you know?... let's not overreact, oh and by the way that was white people infiltrating it too not muslims so there!
what's your point I'm really struggling to see it...
The fact is: there is a big problem , the root stemming from a particular sect in European society (using that loosely since I don't see they really belong)- The most important thing is to stop this happening for good with the number one priority being our own people
- stop shooting down valid attempts to propose a solution with these bollocks examples please. |
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ScaredyCat wrote: | If your answer is to immediately attack creatures who've managed to master intergalactic travel before trying to talk to them, it's probably best you wouldn't be that involved. |
Well, if you battle me I feel reviled
People always sayin' my style is wild.
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Valerian95 wrote: | would murder a Westerner given the opportunity of no backlash. |
Hyperbole much?
That's like pretty much like saying he's a terrorist if he isn't he was going to become one anyway.
What sort of twisted logic is that?
Lets use this backwards then.
Oh one person did something bad. We therefore must apply this to the entire group fine...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huckle
That's not fair? I just did exactly what you just did. If you stand by what you just said then you must equally support my all X are Y.
Else your position is untenable.
While you may try the individualism route. If you give individualism to one group then you must give it to another.
Valerian95 wrote: | Hypocrisy |
So wait you interfered in their lands for the last 200 years murdered millions of them... and this is totally OK.
Yet when they do a fraction of this back to you not even 0.000001% the death rate then you cry about it?
So essentially you're saying you can dish it out or you have permission to murder and bomb others yet you cry when somebody does it back to you?
Valerian95 wrote: | Yeah yeah whatever... I choose that world over the alternative world under sharia law which is quite a serious possibility in my lifetime. |
Hyperbole much?
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Obviously not enough. The last massive movement of religious groups was the partition of India in 1947. 15 or so million died. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Itchy wrote: | Oh one person did something bad. We therefore must apply this to the entire group fine... |
If that group is Salafi jihadists, then, OK, sure. The tl;dr for that particular ideology is "bad things".
I'm going to keep pushing the distinction betweek Salafi jihadists and the other 5 million flavours of islam, as generalising doesn't help them to help us.
Mind, I don't think that Bambi Burnham giving it "Abedi weren't no muslim, bruv," is particularly helpful either. Regardless of his background (see also Andy Choudary) he absolutely was being a devout muslim and following the teachings of the quran at the point where he checked out, and lying about it fools nobody. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 335 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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