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Posted: 09:04 - 24 May 2017 Post subject: Followed by thieving chavscum (Bromley / Orpington) |
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Pretty sure I was followed by the 2-up maxi-scooter posse on Monday afternoon.
It was about 3.20pm and I was on the GSXR taking it easy on the way out of Croydon along the A232. Pretty rare for me to be travelling along there at that time on that bike but I was taking it on a shakedown run before a trackday. I guess the shiny sportsbike attracted the attention of some local undesirables.
Anyway, I'm pretty vigilant with the mirrors and noticed a PTW a few cars back. Did a few overtakes and the maxi-scoot shadowed the overtakes exactly. A red light at a pedestrian crossing let the gap close up and sure enough; two track-suited scumbags with balaclavas under their helmets.
I was careful to keep the bike moving and allow a gap to the cars in front. Once the light changed I didn't give them a chance to keep up and I was off and into hyperdrive. Nice open roads and too close to the motorway for them to catch up.
Luckily for me I'm used to getting followed on bikes after growing up in Medway (chav-scum central) and I can stay pretty relaxed. I can imagine a newbie would be easy prey though.
Anyway, cool story bro and all that. Nothing happened but I wasn't about to let anything happen regardless. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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MarJay wrote: | I wonder if 'I was being followed by what looked like a pair of motorcycle thieves' would be an acceptable defense for speeding these days. |
Duress is a defence to most crimes short of murder.
Fear of harm has been explicitly allowed as a defence on appeal to driving "at great speed and recklessly", amusingly enough to escape from Dibble. See Regina vs Conway 1988.
The issue is demonstrating that fear. It's not explicit in law, but the Law Commission's recommendation is that the defence prove it on the balance of probability in order to adduce it as reasonable doubt.
Like TIE fighters, pikeys tend to come from behind, so even helmet cam footage may not help.
However, I have ridden through reds before and will do so again if I am in any doubt about the intentions of nearby neds or drunken jakeys.
There's one of the latter that infests the start of my urban commute, and a couple of times now he's shambled onto the road towards me howling "Mumble squirrels bastards NINJA! jumble urgle HEY NINJA!"
Harmless loon, or violent mentalist? I'm not waiting around to find out. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Unfortunately they seem to be appearing in Orpington currently. I saw a group 2 up on a ped and a cbr125 with no plates ragging around looking in gardens. Police do fuck all |
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Rogerborg wrote: |
Duress is a defence to most crimes short of murder.
Fear of harm has been explicitly allowed as a defence on appeal to driving "at great speed and recklessly", amusingly enough to escape from Dibble. See Regina vs Conway 1988.
The issue is demonstrating that fear. It's not explicit in law, but the Law Commission's recommendation is that the defence prove it on the balance of probability in order to adduce it as reasonable doubt. |
There are so many accounts of people being jacked all over the internet now, I wonder if you could gather a number of these and use them as part of your defence, i.e. why you were in fear. If you could demonstrate your own belief that these accounts were true, maybe it wouldn't even matter if they actually were - they were still enough to give you that fear. I would think you'd have to use examples from the area you were riding through when you committed the 'offence'. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | I would think you'd have to use examples from the area you were riding through when you committed the 'offence'. |
I'm not aware of it being an issue round here, yet. Edinburgh, maybe.
Bike thefts aren't even that bad, yet. Edinburgh, for sure.
However, I do not intend to be the first. And there will be a first. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: |
I'm not aware of it being an issue round here, yet. Edinburgh, maybe.
Bike thefts aren't even that bad, yet. Edinburgh, for sure.
However, I do not intend to be the first. And there will be a first. |
I hear Edinburgh's pretty bad for it ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 14:06 - 24 May 2017 Post subject: Re: Followed by thieving chavscum (Bromley / Orpington) |
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Kris wrote: | Pretty sure I was followed by the 2-up maxi-scooter posse on Monday afternoon.
It was about 3.20pm and I was on the GSXR taking it easy on the way out of Croydon along the A232. Pretty rare for me to be travelling along there at that time on that bike but I was taking it on a shakedown run before a trackday. I guess the shiny sportsbike attracted the attention of some local undesirables.
Anyway, I'm pretty vigilant with the mirrors and noticed a PTW a few cars back. Did a few overtakes and the maxi-scoot shadowed the overtakes exactly. A red light at a pedestrian crossing let the gap close up and sure enough; two track-suited scumbags with balaclavas under their helmets.
I was careful to keep the bike moving and allow a gap to the cars in front. Once the light changed I didn't give them a chance to keep up and I was off and into hyperdrive. Nice open roads and too close to the motorway for them to catch up.
Luckily for me I'm used to getting followed on bikes after growing up in Medway (chav-scum central) and I can stay pretty relaxed. I can imagine a newbie would be easy prey though.
Anyway, cool story bro and all that. Nothing happened but I wasn't about to let anything happen regardless. |
I had to Googlay what the A232 was - turns out it is the 'Shirley/Wickham Road' as I know it. So where did the perps first appear - Shortlandsish or more towards Shirley? ____________________ My fingers smell of your mum. |
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Quite possibly but you'd still have your bike.
There's no shortage of photos from newspapers and videos from youtube that show what you decided to speed away from.
If you got done for speeding away from bikelife then you could probably sell the story to tabloids. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 332 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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