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PostPosted: 14:12 - 31 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shit French cars are shit, not seeing the need for a debate Laughing

You certainly arent related to Teflon million words are you.
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Factor in the cost of having the head professionaly


£40 from my local engine specialist

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plus the cost of a reasonable torque wrench.


£80-£100

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I'd be surprised if by the time you're done, you haven't spent around 300 notes.


erm...
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all. I am going to have a decent look at it all at the weekend and me and the old man are going to give it a go.

I definitely agree about the owner thing. Unfortunately, it was my Mrs car, that she got from her sister, and we had it for about 8 months...

Both sister and Mrs are very much the type to ignore things, despite me telling her to let me know as and when she notices anything so we can keep it together.

Note to self... borrow car from time to time in order to assess the car myself. (not that I am an expert, at all)

Ill let you know how I get on!
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracer1234 wrote:
Thank you all. I am going to have a decent look at it all at the weekend and me and the old man are going to give it a go.

I definitely agree about the owner thing. Unfortunately, it was my Mrs car, that she got from her sister, and we had it for about 8 months...

Both sister and Mrs are very much the type to ignore things, despite me telling her to let me know as and when she notices anything so we can keep it together.

Note to self... burrow car from time to time in order to assess the car myself. (not that I am an expert, at all)

Ill let you know how I get on!


I do that with wifies car. She always says it's convenient for me to check it when she has no fuel and it's just before payday. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracer1234 wrote:
Note to self... borrow car from time to time in order to assess the car myself. (not that I am an expert, at all)

Worth taking the time, if only to make sure the tyres pressures are correct so they don't need replacing every 2 years (I learnt that with the EXs car the hard way...).
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
Tracer1234 wrote:
Note to self... borrow car from time to time in order to assess the car myself. (not that I am an expert, at all)

Worth taking the time, if only to make sure the tyres pressures are correct so they don't need replacing every 2 years (I learnt that with the EXs car the hard way...).


Yep, I think I have learnt my lesson here. An expensive lesson, but a lesson none the less.

May has been a month of damn expensive lessons!!
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 01 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mainly don't like my Mrs driving my 17 year old 325i for this reason, no mechanical sympathy and generally not very gentle with it.

Generally speaking she will use the 6 month old Superb because

1) we don't actually own it and it can just go back to the leasing company in whatever mechanical state it's in.

2) it has tyre pressure sensors and a machine that goes 'Bing' for pretty much everything and on the infotainment it clearly will tell her what is up/prompting a call to me to refill the washer bottle or whatever petty thing needs doing.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 02 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
recman wrote:
Factor in the cost of having the head professionaly


£40 from my local engine specialist

recman wrote:
plus the cost of a reasonable torque wrench.


£80-£100

recman wrote:
I'd be surprised if by the time you're done, you haven't spent around 300 notes.


erm...


What say you read and quote the last sentence in context.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 02 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
I mainly don't like my Mrs driving my 17 year old 325i for this reason, no mechanical sympathy and generally not very gentle with it.

A great way to get rid of her though if you ever need to, just send her out in the rain in it on an urgent errand Laughing
I loved the 325i's, I'd have one today if I could justify another vehicle. My mate Karl had a mint 1988 model in gun
metal grey. Was a fucking great little car. He ran it into the ground though throughlack of care. Sad
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
dodsi wrote:
I mainly don't like my Mrs driving my 17 year old 325i for this reason, no mechanical sympathy and generally not very gentle with it.

A great way to get rid of her though if you ever need to, just send her out in the rain in it on an urgent errand Laughing
I loved the 325i's, I'd have one today if I could justify another vehicle. My mate Karl had a mint 1988 model in gun
metal grey. Was a fucking great little car. He ran it into the ground though throughlack of care. Sad


Shifty

I love the car, it's my second after a 323ci I have not found them particularly frisky in the wet, generally the traction control kills any fun rather quickly. you need to turn off the traction control and really give it some schtic to get it to misbehave.

Low 20s MPG though Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that talk about having RWD fun makes me miss the winter driving. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, so you RWD freaks, I get you and your reasons why you like old beasts with easily overwhelmed rear tyres. Having only had 2 RWD car's (one was mid engine, so same but different), I still find fun and leery behavior in some old FWD'ers.

I mean would a typical modern car driving non car interested person, find a wet road in an old RWD car far more scary than they would in an equally old FWD car like an Escort RST or similar? None have TC though maybe just about ABS, and have much less rubber and grip on the road than modern cars do?

I think there's potential for fucking up in both driven wheel formats, but maybe a nasty or unruly FWD car needs more provocation or a driver that is pushing their luck, rather than just plain dozy or not paying attention?
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why, but I find RWD cars safer/more predictable, even on snow (I guess it's got something to do with me starting on motorcycles only). Although it is fair to say, that the moment there's snow on the road, you have to plan ahead where you're gonna make a full stop. Not that FWD cars can climb every snowy hill, but the engine being above the axle does help.

Also, and that is why I enjoy driving RWD cars, the way a RWD car goes through corners, the lightness and responsiveness in steering and so on and what ever you do with the thottle (unless you lose traction = the rear end goes right) it never shows on steering. Every single FWD car I've ever driven would twitch with the wheel at every high revs up shift + you can also tell the momentum of the front wheels is greater.

Also, Stevo, I wouldn't call myself a RWD freak, I just enjoy the way the steering and driven axle are separated + the predictability of it. I'm still keen on trying a RWD with LSD.
Also, not saying FWD cars can't be fun.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I mean would a typical modern car driving non car interested person, find a wet road in an old RWD car far more scary than they would in an equally old FWD car like an Escort RST or similar? None have TC though maybe just about ABS, and have much less rubber and grip on the road than modern cars do?

For the most part RWD cars would have a minor oversteer flinch, give the owner a fair bit of a scare and make them slow down. FWD cars gently understeer, which non driving enthusiasts don't even register, then bite hard.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

techathy wrote:
stevo as b4 wrote:
I mean would a typical modern car driving non car interested person, find a wet road in an old RWD car far more scary than they would in an equally old FWD car like an Escort RST or similar? None have TC though maybe just about ABS, and have much less rubber and grip on the road than modern cars do?

For the most part RWD cars would have a minor oversteer flinch, give the owner a fair bit of a scare and make them slow down. FWD cars gently understeer, which non driving enthusiasts don't even register, then bite hard.

Not sure I agree with that. FWD understeer until they run out of grip (then you crash), RWD (especially old ones) are much less predictable, and I can imagine an uncorrected 'flinch' of oversteer causing more of an issue for someone who isn't ready for it.

Not saying I prefer FWD but they make more sense for the general population.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know all about FWD cars general traits, but they arnt all the same.

some are far more twitchy than others, some are very safe and just progressively understeer more the faster you go. Other's can snap and bite when pushed hard like some cars with torsion beam rear axles, and particularly some Peugeot's.

I read a car set up assessment feature by a motorsport clinic for my model of car, Rover 220 coupe. This one was a bit more powerful at 320ish bhp, but the guy said that on any road surface and even riding the centre of the road, everytime it came on boost it wanted to veer off into a ditch or across the road. The torsen diff is not a cure for torque steer, only suspension geometry and equal length drive shafts can help with that.

I've been more scared as a passenger in a Mini 1000, than I ever was in a Nissan 200SX or even a TVR Chimera.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it takes more conscious effort to get a RWD car to go all squiffy. A FWD with my sometimes lead footed approach to driving can get the tyres chirping and the traction control grabbing hold of the wheels sometimes when just trying to get a sharp exit from a junction etc.

I am far from a driving god, usually when I do provoke oversteer in the BMW it makes me want to climb onto the backseat and cower under a duvet until it's all over.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I wouldn't be scared of any FWD car personally, stuff like torque steer you feel through the wheel, and if anything does happen it's a lot easier to recover.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is true, but I was kind of thinking of someone that say borrowed someone elses car they've never driven before and were just careless with it.

You can see how someone bimbo'ing along in say a BMW 325i could get the back sliding in the wet by accident and shit themselves, but equally they could pull away from the lights a bit sharp and veer across the road in Gav's stage 3 chipped RS turbo and think WTF!
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
I am far from a driving god, usually when I do provoke oversteer in the BMW it makes me want to climb onto the backseat and cower under a duvet until it's all over.


Practise, practise, practise,...

Rule no. 1 - If you loose rear wheel traction when under power, never let go of the throttle (especially when going sideways on dry tarmac). Reduce the throttle or increse it, but never let go, play with it. IF you let go of the throttle, the weight of the car will shift and toss it in the oposite direction. Staying on full throttle will lead to spinning out, obviously.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 05 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just realised that 17 years old only means 2000. Laughing My mates one never had traction control, but mainly because
it would be nearly 30 years old if it was still running today. Out of interest I had a look at auto trader and there are a few
E30's on there going for over 7k Shocked

This looks a lot like my mates. Old school cool. https://rmsmotoring.com/garage/carimages/i4387.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 05 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Not saying I prefer FWD but they make more sense for the general population.


But clearly not at the pinacle of motorsport.

Obviously, Nissan tried and failed spectacularly with the GT-R LM.
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