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It was the Tories who introduced housing benefit caps, meaning people either had to move into a bedsit or come up with some BS medical condition. It moved people from a cheap(er) benefit to an expensive one. |
So people were only allowed a max of £2,000 a month of tax payers money for the rent? My heart bleeds. How on earth could they afford Sky TV, fags, booze and mobiles?
Or you could see it as clamping down on people who were taking the piss, including private landlords.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Kickstart wrote: |
Come on, changing what he said when putting it as a quote is really plumbing the depths. You appear to have just added the bits in bold to make his comment on not being alive in 1980 apply to the whole 1980s.
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I must be missing something here, because that looks like plain and simple back pedalling to me. There was no changing of what he said, I just put the two statements together to show the conflict.
"When did I say I was alive in the 80's" followed by "I don't remember much of the 1980's". |
1980... 80s, you realise one's a year and the other a decade right? You were the one going on about 37 years ago when I'm not in my thirties.
| mpd72 wrote: | So people were only allowed a max of £2,000 a month of tax payers money for the rent? My heart bleeds. How on earth could they afford Sky TV, fags, booze and mobiles?
Or you could see it as clamping down on people who were taking the piss, including private landlords. |
No, off the top of my head they reduced the amount for people 35 and under to £90 from £180. So that wouldn't even cover where I live, let alone people living in less shit areas.
Also it's utter nonsense they've been clamping down on people, I know an elderly woman who's fully blind, and they've been telling her for years she's going to be re-assessed. It's still not happened. |
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No, off the top of my head they reduced the amount for people 35 and under to £90 from £180. So that wouldn't even cover where I live, let alone people living in less shit areas.
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Where are you getting this Halved to £90 a week figure from?
Housing benefit was capped at £2,000 a month. An average scum bag family with 2 adult chavs and 2 trainee chavs can live in a private rental of at least £700 pcm where I live.
It's tough for single unemployed, which is ironic, because this group are probably the least likely to be skiving gits, but £360 a month housing benefit seems low for outside of London, let alone in it.
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And just because there's two unemployed adults, it doesn't mean the money magically doubles. Or if it does, it's only done so under the caring, sharing, Tories.
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| Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | And just because there's two unemployed adults, it doesn't mean the money magically doubles. Or if it does, it's only done so under the caring, sharing, Tories. |
Can you still afford fags, booze, broadband, smart phones and Sky TV though?
You know, the basic needs before free food comes into play.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | And just because there's two unemployed adults, it doesn't mean the money magically doubles. Or if it does, it's only done so under the caring, sharing, Tories. |
Can you still afford fags, booze, broadband, smart phones and Sky TV though?
You know, the basic needs before free food comes into play. |
From previous experience, no. It was a good job I don't smoke and wasn't much of a drinker. Not to mention finding £100 a month to top up the rent for a two up two down terrace hardly big enough to seeing swing a cat.
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This nurses foodbank stuff is complete nonsense. At university you have to live on 2000 to 3000 a year after accommodation, actually even less than JSA! Yet a nurse with ten times that needs a foodbank?  |
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The whole food bank thing is a load of anti Tory, anti Austerity propaganda bollocks. Nobody is that poor that they can't afford a basic and cheap necessity for life like food. Unfortunately, we live in a society where luxuries are more important than necessities, so if necessities are available for free, it gives people more money to blow of luxuries.
Food is one of the cheapest parts of living costs if done properly. A person can eat quite healthily for £20 a week, about the cost of 2 packets of fags.
We've been through this several times. The cost of making a 10 portion lasagna, was under £6, a roast chicken dinner for 4 can be cooked for around a fiver. Sticking to fresh ingredients and veg, rather than ready meals means you can eat very cheaply in this country.
Are we supposed to believe that all food bank users have given up fags, booze, smartphones, satelite TV and broadband before they need to beg for food?
It's a question of priorities and many in society have no idea how to prioritise properly.
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So who gets the £1040 a month for a 1 bed flat then?
Scummers with a "bird", former homeless and those who've done time, by the look of it. Typical Labour, rewarding the feckless.
| Quote: | The shared accommodation rate should not apply if you are 25 or over and can show that you:
lived in homeless hostels for at least three months and accepted rehabilitation or support services before moving to the private rented sector
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I feel we're going to get into the government or council argument again. Maybe this from Barnet (Conservative) will help:
If you’re single and under 35, you can only get Housing Benefit for bed-sit accommodation or a single room in shared accommodation
AFAIK (CBA checking the rates for every council) it's a national policy.
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Nah, everyone on benefits is living the high life, never mind if the reality's a dank bedsit. I remember one of mates got a bedsit, we stayed there one night and barely slept as it sounded like someone was being murdered. He moved back home after that
Edit: interesting about the hostel thing, I work(ed) with a few guys who got a place after being in a hostel, I wondered how they managed it. |
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You're going in for the fundament basics of survival that society should cover as a security net? Though this had been done to death here already
Whilst I support her right to say it and do not get offended, why do people in ivory towers feel they can preach to people in mud huts? Same issue I have with celebs come election or referendum time really.
Yes many of us bottom dwellers are feckless and wasteful, what people do not seem to respond to is being preached at by the supposed 'haves'.
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Nah, everyone on benefits is living the high life, never mind if the reality's a dank bedsit. |
We have families into their third generation where no members have worked for a living. Are you saying they don't do this out of choice then?
It quite clearly provides a standard of living, which some see as good enough not to bother getting a job.
Didn't you say that you live in a household where your parents chose not to work, but you broke the mould by getting a job? I thought you said something along those lines when you where whining about having to contribute to the benefits paid rent, because you were living with your parents and working full time?
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It is not a straightforward call though mpd, it is a bit like foreign aid, consider it a bit of a bribe of sorts for some.
As has already been covered in other threads it will only get worse as technology progresses. They could try to install an ancap paradise of sorts or even an equitable solution where only fundamentals are covered, food and roof for all ala very basic UI. How long before people are squealing from the crime and rioting. As you said in an earlier post, food, roof, TV, sky, Xbox etc are now considered 'the basics'.
I read something a good while ago about giving out from the government. The jist was historically as social programs expand and develop and people get more free stuff, attempting to rescind or reverse always causes instability. Can't remember the source though.
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The fact that as soon as you get a job from being on the dole, they pull the rug from under you is enough to put the majority off.
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