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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:

At uni you can take a part time job to supplement it. Plus you don't have the same level of bills as running your own house.


Assuming the Polish haven't taken all the unskilled work Wink

mpd72 wrote:
The whole food bank thing is a load of anti Tory, anti Austerity propaganda bollocks. Nobody is that poor that they can't afford a basic and cheap necessity for life like food. Unfortunately, we live in a society where luxuries are more important than necessities, so if necessities are available for free, it gives people more money to blow of luxuries.

Food is one of the cheapest parts of living costs if done properly. A person can eat quite healthily for £20 a week, about the cost of 2 packets of fags.

We've been through this several times. The cost of making a 10 portion lasagna, was under £6, a roast chicken dinner for 4 can be cooked for around a fiver. Sticking to fresh ingredients and veg, rather than ready meals means you can eat very cheaply in this country.

Are we supposed to believe that all food bank users have given up fags, booze, smartphones, satelite TV and broadband before they need to beg for food?
It's a question of priorities and many in society have no idea how to prioritise properly.


The cheapest I can think of its value Spaghetti which is 2.5KG per £1. Even if you are on more than 24k its worth keeping 5 or 10 packets of this around.

Mobile phone is also quite cheap these days. £10/mo with giff gaff inc 1 or 2 GB of 4G data. Smartphones are easily available for ~£30.

On 24k these costs are nothing.

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PostPosted: 20:02 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Maybe if you listened you wouldn't be grubbing about in the dirt


Cant complain considering my start, made it to grubbing through waste bins so far.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is possible to live cheap if you choose to. I once through my own fecklessness and denial screwed up my finances that I needed my Dad to help me make it to the end of the month around September of 2015. Took that shot across the bow and lived cheaply from then on. 2 months later I had paid him back and 4 months after that I put a deposit down on a nearly new BMW. While I can see the occasional emergency need for a foodbank those using them on the regular have simply failed to budget properly.

I am now running a surplus of nearly £400 a month. So in a pinch there is nothing wrong with needing help, but to rely on it long term when you are otherwise healthy and employed? No call for that.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their is value in self discipline Wobbly, that is true.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

To use a foodbank you need to have rations/stamps (or whatever they're called) provided by a doctor or social worker. I like to think they aren't complicit in allowing serial food bank users to abuse the system. Those who take the piss would surely be weeded out or focused on strongly for reformation or whatever.

Come to think of it I think it's a pretty bad sign of the times when people who can't even afford food are immediately looked at with suspicion or disdain.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I like to think they aren't complicit in allowing serial food bank users to abuse the system.

Bless you.

Lord Percy wrote:
Those who take the piss would surely be weeded out or focused on strongly for reformation or whatever.

Or starvation?

Well, it's looking like Sharia has absolutely pooched it. It just needs the yoofs to actually turn out and vote. Come onnnn, hung Parliament. Praying
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really quite easy for anyone to get a food bank referral. It's not just doctors and social workers who can refer you, each food bank company decides who they accept referrals from and of course the more people there are using their services, the more funding from the local council they'll get.

Referrals can be done by a doctor or by any health care professional from highly paid consultants right down to healthcare assistants, they can be done by people in social care, they can be done by various charities, they can be done by CAB and I expect there's plenty more places they can also be done by.

Basically, loads of people are eligible for them who don't actually need the help.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Assuming the Polish haven't taken all the unskilled work Wink


Most large employers will take students for part time,or zero hours. Not like they have real bills to pay is it? They're handy for ad-hoc.
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mpd72 wrote:
The whole food bank thing is a load of anti Tory, anti Austerity propaganda bollocks. Nobody is that poor that they can't afford a basic and cheap necessity for life like food. Unfortunately, we live in a society where luxuries are more important than necessities, so if necessities are available for free, it gives people more money to blow of luxuries.

Food is one of the cheapest parts of living costs if done properly. A person can eat quite healthily for £20 a week, about the cost of 2 packets of fags.

We've been through this several times. The cost of making a 10 portion lasagna, was under £6, a roast chicken dinner for 4 can be cooked for around a fiver. Sticking to fresh ingredients and veg, rather than ready meals means you can eat very cheaply in this country.

Are we supposed to believe that all food bank users have given up fags, booze, smartphones, satelite TV and broadband before they need to beg for food?
It's a question of priorities and many in society have no idea how to prioritise properly.


The cheapest I can think of its value Spaghetti which is 2.5KG per £1. Even if you are on more than 24k its worth keeping 5 or 10 packets of this around.

Mobile phone is also quite cheap these days. £10/mo with giff gaff inc 1 or 2 GB of 4G data. Smartphones are easily available for ~£30.

On 24k these costs are nothing.

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I thought the reason to strive and work is to make a more comfortable life for yourself, not living on value spaghetti with the nutritional goodness of some gutter grass.

If they said to me, you need to get a job so you can live on shite food and hand to mouth, I'd have told them to fuck off.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 03 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just opened up a Sun from Thursday, sub head "Corbyn walloped by all six opponents in debate".

Press really are ass
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 04 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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M.C wrote:
I don't consider people in social housing scum (unlike some people Wink) because half the people I know are in council/housing association accommodation.

Got a good lock for that Striple I hope... Whistle


I thought May had done away with Cameron's striple lock??







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PostPosted: 11:33 - 06 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's mad is being left with a choice of 1970s socialist or Sharia, vacuous May. It's a sh!t choice but I'm going Corbyn as although Corbyn wants to put CT up to 26%, he also wants us in the Customs Union.

However, I have no clue what May's about. She was a staunch Remainer and now a Leaver. She believed strongly that old people should pay for their healthcare but then not. She believed in taking 1,400 armed police off the streets... which she is now putting back... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2y7MoFuu-k

That selling to the EU was the best chance for jobs and our economy and then not. That we should reduce immigration but while Home Sec, increased it. Her policies on small businesses are so confusing, no-one knows what they are and she has the political direction of a revolving door.

May just looks like a political opportunist who changes her mind every 5 minutes lunging for power whereas Corbyn sticks by his guns. He has a vision for Britain and in the absence of anything less cr@p, I'm voting Labour.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 06 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4574822/Diane-Abbott-embarrasses-new-TV-interview.html

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 06 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

gorillaonabike wrote:
What's mad is being left with a choice of 1970s socialist or Sharia, vacuous May.

They're not the only options. You only get one vote, and it's (almost certainly) not for either of those individuals. Far too much fretting and delusions about what that vote is for, or how much it counts.


gorillaonabike wrote:
Corbyn sticks by his guns.

In the sense that he'd surrender them and try to open a dialogue.

I honestly cannot remember a time when I have held the leadership of all major parties - UKIP included - in such contempt, or been so tempted to write in None.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 06 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I honestly cannot remember a time when I have held the leadership of all major parties - UKIP included - in such contempt, or been so tempted to write in None.

Engagement Wink I'm a firm believer in only voting for people/causes that are worth voting for... might be why with the exception of the referendum I've never voted.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things that seems to be ignored is that London distorts reality around it. I know that everyone outside the m25 has nothing good to say about 'that london', but that's not what I'm getting at. Living costs in London are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the country, and it almost exclusively boils down to rent costs.

To put this in context: I own a flat in newham. It's a borough that is one of the poorest in London, and yet one of the most populous. I've put my flat up for rent through a letting agent - I thought the rate they advertised it at was usurious, given that it's a 1-bed flat in a council tower block. However, my arm was near enough torn off with the speed of it being snapped up, because it was thought of as being a bargain. I wouldn't be able to afford the rent single-handed. That's the long and short of it - the rental market is certifiably insane. I did actually argue the price a bit with the letting agent, because I was of the belief that a grand a month is madness, but that is (apparently) the lower end of what they'd normally ask.

Now ask yourself this: if this is classed as a normal to low sort of rental rate, how can it be surprising that people are struggling to eat? I know that the typical answer is to suggest moving out of London, but unless you're already pretty autonomous, it's a hard move to make. Shifting myself and my wife to the Midlands was far from easy, but was massively advantageous overall. Fear will typically inform people's decisions with regards to this sort of move though, and with that, the poverty trap is sprung.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

#PRAYFORDIANE

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Breaking_ Corbyn replacing Diane Abbott with Lyn Brown, currently shadow police, and candidate for West Ham during her period of ill health


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PostPosted: 09:54 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a thick, lazy racist is an illness now?

Corbyn is doing surprisingly well. He's coming across as a calm, credible proponent of shriekingly insane policies.

nowhere.elysium wrote:
[Pity the plight of stupid cowards]

Why's that then?

The London bubble keeps inflating because millions of stubborn idiots refuse to leave, and government after government have propped it up with London weightings, soaring welfare payments, and dangling the carrot of right-to-buy bonanzas.

It's a boil that needs lancing, although granted all the pus will then seep out of it.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Being a thick, lazy racist is an illness now?

Corbyn is doing surprisingly well. He's coming across as a calm, credible proponent of shriekingly insane policies.

nowhere.elysium wrote:
[Pity the plight of stupid cowards]

Why's that then?

The London bubble keeps inflating because millions of stubborn idiots refuse to leave, and government after government have propped it up with London weightings, soaring welfare payments, and dangling the carrot of right-to-buy bonanzas.

It's a boil that needs lancing, although granted all the pus will then seep out of it.

Hey, I agree that London cannot survive it's own endless expansion. However, the fear aspect is as a result of being locked in an atheistic mindset: London is where the jobs are, allegedly. Perversely, my wife and I are doing significantly better outside of london: I'm now in a position to start my own business, she's earning more doing the exact same thing that she was doing in London. Regardless, you aren't going to convince these people otherwise, so pity is about right, IMO.

In other news, Corbyn has sacked Abbott. Thank fuck for that.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
In other news, Corbyn has sacked Abbott. Thank fuck for that.


Why ever would he sack poor oppressed Diane Jabbatt? Racist.

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PostPosted: 12:47 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, the Abbottopotamus has been sidelined for now, she'll reappear when the positive discrimination quota needs padding out!
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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In other news, Corbyn has sacked Abbott. Thank fuck for that.


No he's not, he's put her on gardening leave (pretending it's due to ill health), until the voting is over.

So about 48 hours for her to "recover", keep out of the public eye and keep her gob shut.

Well, shit. I only caught wind of it through a Facebook link to an independent article. Didn't bother cross-check in it because it struck me as the sanest possible thing to do.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The London bubble keeps inflating because millions of stubborn idiots refuse to leave, and government after government have propped it up with London weightings, soaring welfare payments, and dangling the carrot of right-to-buy bonanzas.

It's a boil that needs lancing, although granted all the pus will then seep out of it.

Only problem with your logic's once all the peasants leave who will sweep the streets, drive the buses etc. The people left are in the small amount of remaining social housing.

I also don't think London's a unique example, many other cities are following this path.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 07 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Only problem with your logic's once all the peasants leave who will sweep the streets, drive the buses etc.

Nobody. It will all fall apart in the short term - that's the idea. Lancing boils isn't pretty.

When the money starts to flee because they don't have a subsidised working class to take care of them, demand and prices will begin to fall to the level where actual people can move back in without the inflationary spiral of subsidies.

I can't see a no-pain way to gradually reduce demand and prices there, although granted making it a vehicle-free zone might help.

Any ideas?

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I also don't think London's a unique example, many other cities are following this path.

Not to anything like the same degree.


Aaaaanyway: Dianne Abbot falls for faux emails about her "illness".

Apparently, Dianne Abbott wrote:
I am worried about telling untruths about my health which are easily disproved

Not worried about lying, just about being caught. Clapping

Why is this relevant?

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I've nothing against Diane. I just think if you're potentially keeping Britain out of harms way, then you have your cyber-shit locked down

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