Using a US frame to re-register a UK bike

[squishio]

Hi Guys,

Looking at buying a stolen/recovered bike, frame number is gone, though engine number still present.
I cant find any frames+V5's in the UK, but have found a couple in the US with matching registration.

Does anyone know what the proceedure would be for getting it back on the road in the UK? Would it be clasified as an import or would it get a Q plate?

Cheers!
Rich
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[1198]

Is it really cheap or rare?
If not, why bother making yourself bother?

[squishio]

Its cheap, 2010/11 model with low millage
But I'm trying to determine if it is indeed worth the hassle.
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Past - SY125, GT250, GT650, CX400, CBF600, Bandit 600, SL1000, GT250

[Rogerborg]

Stamp the original VIN on the frame.

There's no law against it, it's not fraud, there's no intent to deceive.

Why would you not?
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[squishio]

that sounds sensible, but how might I go about finding the original frame number?
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Past - SY125, GT250, GT650, CX400, CBF600, Bandit 600, SL1000, GT250

[Rogerborg]

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[Teflon-Mike]

If catted by the ins-co, though; it may not be possible to re-register as the original vehicle.

In such cases, the salvage co I believe will often grind the VIN off the frame expressly as the vehicle has been deemed not eligible to be returned to road; purchasing the salvage, in such a case, likely you will not receive the V5 as Ins-co will have deemed the vehicle 'scrap' and destroyed or surrendered the log-book.

If you were to rebuild with a brand new OE replacement frame; you would have to register as a new vehicle and provide evidence of origin; such as manufactrers receipt for brand new, unused frame, stating vehicle intended for; and probably be obliged to go through a VIC or Vehicle indent Check to confirm identity at a VOSA inspection depot.

If you buy a bike from abroad; registration process is possibly more simple; you will need original market paperwork to show what the vehicle is, and/or dating letter from a recognized body, like an owners club. DVLA may still ask for a VIC. Once satisfied, they will issue a new UK V5 for the 'imported' vehicle, which WILL make it an import, not a UK bike, and show discrepancy between the date of manufacture and date of first registration.

This may make the bike more difficult/expensive to insure, and or re-sell, certainly to trade in at a dealers.

I believe that you cannot register an import 'blind' on paperwork alone any more; the vehicle has to be proven road-worthy, be UK insured and MOT'd, and that paperwork provided with dating evidence and registration application.

So, practically, you would have to import foreign frame, re-build it with the 'salvage' bought fro insurance co; get a dating letter; get it insured on the frame number, get it MOT'd on the frame number, send off all the paperwork, to get a V5 & reg no. and then buy a plate for it, so you can use it.

And accept you would have to declare as non UK bike to insurers and likely pay extra for the privilege as well as loose some in possible resale value.

If we were talking something rare and exotic and expensive like an MV Agusta, then probably no big deal, and worth the hassle.

If we are talking something common or mundane or just cheap, like one of the lesser known Chinese brands; then probably more hassle than it's worth.

If something in the middle like a ER6 or an R6, you pays your money and takes your chances; could prove a short-term way to a better bike than you could buy of e-bay for the money, and/or a rather expensive one in the long term, dependent.

But, if frame no ground off... yup, you COULD just stamp with original no, if you can find it, either on paperwork or by etching ground metal.. but DVLA still have to accept it... and if its been deemed BER and catted off the system by UK insurers; you could end up a bit stuffed on that alley.. all depends on the DVLA status of registration.
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[P.]

[Rogerborg]

To be (grudgingly) fair, garbage in = garbage out.

If OP wants a useful answer, he should deliver a steaming information dump of everything that he knows about the bike.

Absent that, I expect it's just idle fantasy anyway.
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[Pete.]

Cat A and B they won't issue a v5c for, cat C and D they will. Simple as that.
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[Rogerborg]

[Pete.]

I was just simplifying teflong's post.
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[squishio]

This all sounds like too much hassle

Heres the bike...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Adventurer-salvage-complete-machine-needs-new-frame-complete-/272691661583?hash=item3f7db08b0f:g:ElMAAOSwz71ZTM-I
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[Pete.]

[rpsmith79]

[Rogerborg]

LS Imports are (or were) fairly legit importers of cheap Chinese bikes-in-boxes.

That bike though, I'd ask "Keys and V5C?" then forget about it unless the answer is yes/yes. As it, it's worth its price in parts, less the hassle to collect and break it.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[MattEMulsion]

Notice in the advert it says 'Police Seizure Bike', it doesn't say stolen/recovered etc. My best guess would be that it has been sold off by the police (for destruction) and it can't be put back on the road using its original identity hence the removed vin number.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[Rogerborg]

Eh, it's a bike, not a relationship. Lee's a reasonable bloke by all accounts: it might be worth a call to see what the story is.

I'd expect it's "no keys, no docs" and you'd have to be a mug of monumental proportions to touch it, mind.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

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